opinion requested on toolbars

"Dustin Cook" <bughunter.dustin DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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> In light of the recent vulnerability discovered with the ask.com toolbar,
> do you feel that antispyware programs should detect toolbars of any sort
> and offer to remove them? As it is, on occasion we get toolbars we didn't
> intend to get...
>
> Opinions on this are welcome.
>
I think any anti-spyware/malware detector type program should have an
option to remove toolbars; because sometimes even if you uncheck the option
to install them when they come with a program they get installed anyway.
After all anyone using a anti-spyware/malware type program most likely
doesn't know how to remove a toolbar theirself. Personally I haven't used a
AV or anti-spyware/malware type program in years; because I have found that
with OE/O set to view all email in text only format nothing gets in, well at
least nothing as of yet or that I know of<s> Same thing with IE7 with
activex/scripting/and others turned off it is reasonably safe. Besides when
ever I want to cruze questionable sites or go on IRC I boot up a live CD of
ubuntu and cruze those type sites safely, lol



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YES !
I would even PAY for a product that would lock out ALL TOOLBARS, and any
software that even "offers" to install one for me.

I don't know why Microsoft hasn't come out with a "toolbar remover" product.
Since they are the ones who allowed them in the first place.


"Dustin Cook" <bughunter.dustin.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> In light of the recent vulnerability discovered with the ask.com toolbar,
> do you feel that antispyware programs should detect toolbars of any sort
> and offer to remove them? As it is, on occasion we get toolbars we didn't
> intend to get...
>
> Opinions on this are welcome.
>
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Congratulations, Raid, for getting Dimbulb to post to acv. *snicker*

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Laura Fredericks <anonomiss DeleteThis @CLOTHEShotmail.com> wrote in
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> Congratulations, Raid, for getting Dimbulb to post to acv. *snicker*

It wasn't intentional in so far as that regard. I'm interested in peoples
opinions. I was thinking of Adding all known toolbars that I can find to
BugHunter depending on user point of view. As a security precaution.

Do you have any opinion on it?


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Dustin Cook wrote:
> In light of the recent vulnerability discovered with the ask.com toolbar,
> do you feel that antispyware programs should detect toolbars of any sort
> and offer to remove them? As it is, on occasion we get toolbars we didn't
> intend to get...
>
> Opinions on this are welcome.
>
I don't go to bars, I don't drink
and I'm allergic to cigarette smoke.

TDD
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On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 00:15:53 -0500, AMUN wrote:

> YES !
> I would even PAY for a product that would lock out ALL TOOLBARS, and any
> software that even "offers" to install one for me.
>
> I don't know why Microsoft hasn't come out with a "toolbar remover" product.
> Since they are the ones who allowed them in the first place.
>
ToolBar Uninstaller
http://toolbar.decomputeur.nl/
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It would be a nice option if you could get a list of installed toolbars and
pick which ones to uninstall. A blanket uninstall may cause more frustration
than it's worth for unsophisticated users. They may use the option to remove
an unwanted toolbar then wonder where their google bar went.

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>
> In light of the recent vulnerability discovered with the ask.com toolbar,
> do you feel that antispyware programs should detect toolbars of any sort
> and offer to remove them? As it is, on occasion we get toolbars we didn't
> intend to get...
>
> Opinions on this are welcome.
>
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On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 16:18:26 -0500, "Sugien" <paulbryantsr DeleteThis @gmail.com>
wrote in post:
>oh and btw, that doesn't count as *my* posting to ACV; because it
>was a cross post and I did not intentionally post to ACV, I unlike
>others *keep* my word. I of course took the cross post out of this
>reply so you can pretend to not see it.

After your friend 4Q told me about you pulling Raid's strings, I
decided to subscribe so I can see for myself.

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On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 19:07:34 -0500, "Sugien" <paulbryantsr.RemoveThis@gmail.com>
wrote in post:
>We also both know that on that page the images were contained on,
>there was also a disclaimer saying that they were copyrighted and
>that copying, linking to or a screen capture or any other form of
>copying the images on that page was not allowed.

It didn't say anything about *altering* the images for PARODY or
SATIRE.

In fact, if all of us didn't know better, Dimbulb, we'd think those
silly images of you with the guns and giant bullets (that you sent
me, and now posted to myspace) were ALREADY retouched!
http://www.myspace.com/paulbryantsr

So really! What's the difference? Now, you're winking, as if to say
your "Sugien" persona is all in fun, and you're really not like that
- -- i.e. a dumb ol' hillbilly.

So which is it, Sooooooooooooge? Are you just messing with us and
never really worked a job "separating infected cows", or are you
really the dumb, ol' hillbilly you are on Usenet?

Oh, and speaking of myspace, can I "friend" you? I see you only have
three friends. Well, actually, they're not "friends", they're your
kids.

So ya wanna be my myspace friend, Sugien?

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On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 03:04:28 GMT, Dustin Cook
<bughunter.dustin.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in post:
>I haven't written anything harmful in going on 8 years now.

Only your posts to me.

>I'm not so sure the user is aware that he or she gave permission, so
>can you clarify better how I should judge which toolbars don't
>deserve
>attention?

You need to read the EULA yourself. If it's not obvious, e.g. it's
not a separate paragraph, but hidden in a long paragraph of legalese,
the you should probably include it.

>Agreed, but have you seen many that do?

I download *a lot* of freeware. IIRC, almost all made it clear that
the bundled toolbar was optional, or in some cases, mandatory in
order to use the program. I know that when I've clicked "no" in
several cases, the program wouldn't continue the installation. I
think I remember getting a toolbar only once without my permission.
Either that, or mention of it in the EULA was so hidden that I missed
it. Probably the latter.

>I'm thinking detecting toolbars (and clearly labeling them as
>toolbars, not necessarily malicious) isn't such a bad idea.

I don't think you should detect the Google toolbar, or similar ones
that are separate installs. These type of toolbars people *seek out*
and install. Only ones that come bundled and aren't *clearly*
labeled.

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"Kerry Brown" <kerry.TakeThisOut@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in
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> It would be a nice option if you could get a list of installed
> toolbars and pick which ones to uninstall. A blanket uninstall may
> cause more frustration than it's worth for unsophisticated users. They
> may use the option to remove an unwanted toolbar then wonder where
> their google bar went.

Thanks for your input. I am already working on the let the user pick after
the scan is completed. and since I'm redoing some aspects of the code, I
wanted to get a general opinion on toolbars.





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Kayman <kaymanNoSpam.TakeThisOut@operamail.com> wrote in
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> On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 00:15:53 -0500, AMUN wrote:
>
>> YES !
>> I would even PAY for a product that would lock out ALL TOOLBARS, and
>> any software that even "offers" to install one for me.
>>
>> I don't know why Microsoft hasn't come out with a "toolbar remover"
>> product. Since they are the ones who allowed them in the first place.
>>
> ToolBar Uninstaller
> http://toolbar.decomputeur.nl/

Interesting program.


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My opinion is I haven't seen one I'd install on any of my computers.

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> "Kerry Brown" <kerry RemoveThis @kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in
> news:kdkZi.197445$1y4.175086@pd7urf2no:
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>> It would be a nice option if you could get a list of installed
>> toolbars and pick which ones to uninstall. A blanket uninstall may
>> cause more frustration than it's worth for unsophisticated users. They
>> may use the option to remove an unwanted toolbar then wonder where
>> their google bar went.
>
> Thanks for your input. I am already working on the let the user pick after
> the scan is completed. and since I'm redoing some aspects of the code,
> I
> wanted to get a general opinion on toolbars.
>
>
>
>
>
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