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kurt wismer

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(Msg. 31) Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 11:46 pm
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Alan Pollock wrote:
> kurt wismer <kurtw.RemoveThis@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>Lars-Erik ?sterud wrote:
>>>kurt wismer skrev:
>>>
>>>>the point is not that it inserts messages, the point is that the
>>>>messages it inserts are false... i think you'll find that most people
>>>
>>>But then that would be true for all other virus-scanners as well.
>>>Most I know of inserts a similar kind of message (even larger Smile
>
>>the only other one i know of that ever did that was avg...
>
>>there are most certainly anti-virus products that don't do it...
>
> The point concerns the word 'clean' though, correct? Size of message, or the
> fact that there is a message is not important.

the intellectual honesty of the message is my main concern... ideally it
would also abide by rfc1855 guidelines for signatures email and usenet
messages but i can live with a couple extra lines here and there (there
are worse bandwidth violations out there)

> Were Avast to merely state that
> an email's been scanned there would be nothing to complain about, especially
> since the default is set to 'no message.' Nex


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"they threw a rope around yer neck to watch you dance the jig of death
then left ya for the starvin' crows, hoverin' like hungry whores
one flew down plucked out yer eye, the other he had in his sights
ya snarled at him, said leave me be - i need the bugger so i can see"

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Shadowman

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Since: Aug 23, 2005
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(Msg. 32) Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 3:34 am
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kurt wismer wrote:
> What's in a Name? wrote:
>
>> kurt wismer <kurtw DeleteThis @sympatico.ca> wrote in
>
> [snip]
>
>>> it would be better to leave the false claims out entirely... yours
>>> is shorter but still false...
>>
>>
>> How about this one:
>>
>> avast! antivirus (0531-4, 08/05/2005) This message is virus-free as
>> far as avast! can tell.
>
>
> that one is just fine...
>
OK, OK, I fixed the tag...


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avast! Antivirus:
This message may or may not contain viruses.
Screw you all....

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Shadowman

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(Msg. 33) Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 3:34 am
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kurt wismer wrote:
> What's in a Name? wrote:
>
>> kurt wismer <kurtw.RemoveThis@sympatico.ca> wrote in
>
> [snip]
>
>>> it would be better to leave the false claims out entirely... yours
>>> is shorter but still false...
>>
>>
>> How about this one:
>>
>> avast! antivirus (0531-4, 08/05/2005) This message is virus-free as
>> far as avast! can tell.
>
>
> that one is just fine...
>
OK, OK, I fixed the tag...


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avast! Antivirus:
This message may or may not contain viruses.
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Shadowman

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Since: Aug 23, 2005
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(Msg. 34) Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 3:43 am
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Lars-Erik Østerud wrote:
> Shadowman skrev:
>
>
>>Another vote for avast. I've been using it on this laptop for about a
>>month, and I may even install it on my desktops once my ZoneAlarm w/
>
>
> I have used avast! together with the free ZoneAlarm for a long time
> now. It's a great combination. Right now I wouldn't change at all!
>
ZoneAlarm w/ AV has been, well, OK... but I'm considering moving on --
I've found that the program control doesn't seem to play well with some
applications; often I've got to do a bit of futzing with it when I
install something. But not all the time.

Of course, I'm not sure that any other PFW will be any better. But in
the meantime, I'm trying a few out on the laptop. I like the free ver.
of Kerio so far.
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Shadowman

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(Msg. 35) Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 3:43 am
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Lars-Erik Østerud wrote:
> Shadowman skrev:
>
>
>>Another vote for avast. I've been using it on this laptop for about a
>>month, and I may even install it on my desktops once my ZoneAlarm w/
>
>
> I have used avast! together with the free ZoneAlarm for a long time
> now. It's a great combination. Right now I wouldn't change at all!
>
ZoneAlarm w/ AV has been, well, OK... but I'm considering moving on --
I've found that the program control doesn't seem to play well with some
applications; often I've got to do a bit of futzing with it when I
install something. But not all the time.

Of course, I'm not sure that any other PFW will be any better. But in
the meantime, I'm trying a few out on the laptop. I like the free ver.
of Kerio so far.
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DaVinci

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(Msg. 36) Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 1:30 pm
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David H. Lipman wrote:
> From: "DaVinci" <D.DeleteThis@nospam.net>
>
> | David H. Lipman wrote:
> | I'm aware of the disclaimer at the bottom of the page. Nonetheless, the
> | link for the 12 month free trial is still live and usable. It's
> | possible CA is extending the offer and hasn't updated the page yet.
>
> I thought of that. It was extended 6 months after the klast deadline of 2/1/05. However,
> the disclaimer was changed on or about 2/2/05 and I would think if the offer was again
> extended the page would be updated as quickly as the last time.
>

FYI, CA has removed an expiration date and replaced it with the
following, "Computer Associates reserves the right to retract this offer
at any time." So, the offer is indefinite until CA decides it's somehow
affecting their bottom line.
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Tore Lund

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(Msg. 37) Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 12:43 am
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David H. Lipman wrote:

> From: "DaVinci" <d.DeleteThis@nospam.net>
>
>
>>>
> | FYI, CA has removed an expiration date and replaced it with the
> | following, "Computer Associates reserves the right to retract this offer
> | at any time." So, the offer is indefinite until CA decides it's somehow
> | affecting their bottom line.
>
> Thanx for that update. It is *good news* indeed !

Is it? For my own part I have just dumped eTrust. I got increasingly
irritated with the many hickups on their site. So when they doubled the
annual update price, I began to wonder.

And I actually clicked the "Purchase" button in order to check that the
price was actually doubled. This turned out to be the case, so I just
clicked "Cancel". Lo and behold! My eTrust AV had suddenly been
updated. Previously the expiry date was March 25, 2005. Simply by
going into the "Purchase" option, without actually buying anything, it
had been extended to March 25, 2006.

I waited for a while to see what happened. I was able to download
updates, so it looks like CA thought my program now expired on March 25,
2006.

Conclusion: I do not trust a company running such sorry software on
their own site. I have now installed AVG free and configured it as an
on-demand scanner.
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Tore
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