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Since: Jul 04, 2003 Posts: 1566
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(Msg. 91) Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2004 11:29 pm
Post subject: Re: Why Free? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: alt>comp>anti-virus, others (more info?)
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Norman L. DeForest wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Mar 2004, kurt wismer wrote:
[snip]
>>the boot record write protection often got turned off due to false
>>alarms when installing or re-installing OSes... changing the boot
>>sequence was a good one though, but sometimes one still wishes to boot
>>from a floppy (even in linux)...
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> [snip]
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> The BIOS options on all the computers I have seen do *not* have a setting
> that stops you from booting off a floppy disk.
ok, i have... i've seen where you can select "A:, C:", "C:, A:", or "C:"...
> They only have a setting
> that tries other drives *first*.
must be a machine dependent thing then... or rather a bios dependent
thing... different strokes for different manufacturers...
> If, for some reason, those drives don't
> respond during the POST, you can still have your computer boot from a
> floppy disk even when you have told the BIOS to try C: first.
yeah, or if you fail to boot normally you can just go in and change the
boot sequence - which you'd have to do anyways when you're trying to
perform a clean boot...
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Since: Jan 28, 2004 Posts: 133
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(Msg. 92) Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 5:51 am
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On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 00:07:02 -0400, Norman L. DeForest <af380.DeleteThis@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote:
> The BIOS options on all the computers I have seen do *not* have a setting
> that stops you from booting off a floppy disk. They only have a setting
> that tries other drives *first*. If, for some reason, those drives don't
> respond during the POST, you can still have your computer boot from a
> floppy disk even when you have told the BIOS to try C: first.
Your knowledge is a little out of date.
On my system I have options for the first,second, and third devices to
search for a boot record. Each of those can be set to one of 29 possible
values, and I can also specify whether or not to search the remaining
possible boot sources, if none of the three work.
All of these include the option "disable". If I disable all three boot
devices, and the search other devices, then I either get an error message,
stopping the boot, or have to press f8, to go to a boot menu.
If I don't have the floppy in one of the options, and have the search
remaining disabled, it will not boot from a floppy.
I currently have IDE-3 (linux on my third hd) as the only option. If I
want to boot ide-0 (windows), cdrom, or floppy, I either have to change
the cmos settings, or use the builtin boot menu.
> The one time I got a virus infection on one of my computers, I was in the
> middle of typing an "f-prot" command to check a floppy disk when the AC
> power failed for about one second and then came back on, rebooting the
The only time I was hit, was when I bought a new hd, that came complete
with the ripper, boot sector virus.
My current system is an ECS L7VMM3 motherboard, with AMI bios dated
2003-12-25.
Regards, Dave Hodgins
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Since: Jan 28, 2004 Posts: 133
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(Msg. 93) Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 5:51 am
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On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 00:07:02 -0400, Norman L. DeForest <af380.DeleteThis@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote:
> The BIOS options on all the computers I have seen do *not* have a setting
> that stops you from booting off a floppy disk. They only have a setting
> that tries other drives *first*. If, for some reason, those drives don't
> respond during the POST, you can still have your computer boot from a
> floppy disk even when you have told the BIOS to try C: first.
Your knowledge is a little out of date.
On my system I have options for the first,second, and third devices to
search for a boot record. Each of those can be set to one of 29 possible
values, and I can also specify whether or not to search the remaining
possible boot sources, if none of the three work.
All of these include the option "disable". If I disable all three boot
devices, and the search other devices, then I either get an error message,
stopping the boot, or have to press f8, to go to a boot menu.
If I don't have the floppy in one of the options, and have the search
remaining disabled, it will not boot from a floppy.
I currently have IDE-3 (linux on my third hd) as the only option. If I
want to boot ide-0 (windows), cdrom, or floppy, I either have to change
the cmos settings, or use the builtin boot menu.
> The one time I got a virus infection on one of my computers, I was in the
> middle of typing an "f-prot" command to check a floppy disk when the AC
> power failed for about one second and then came back on, rebooting the
The only time I was hit, was when I bought a new hd, that came complete
with the ripper, boot sector virus.
My current system is an ECS L7VMM3 motherboard, with AMI bios dated
2003-12-25.
Regards, Dave Hodgins
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Since: Sep 19, 2003 Posts: 1207
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(Msg. 94) Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 6:44 pm
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"kurt wismer" <kurtw.DeleteThis@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:Kzo7c.3611$re.302122@news20.bellglobal.com...
> i've installed linux on a number of occasions... it's never forced me
> (or even asked me) to create a user other than root...
Apparently some newer distros are attempting to force idiots
to do less idiotic things while installing and setting up Linux.
On my system, the prompt is how I know I am the root user, but
evidently some newer versions make the screen background red
so people who are prompt-blind can still tell.
Maybe they could learn something from Microsoft's "safe mode"
written in each corner of the screen - "DANGEROUS MODE"
w/blinking or flashing text should do. That way even complete
and utter idiots who are colorblind can use Linux too. :O) >> Stay informed about: Why Free? |
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Since: Sep 19, 2003 Posts: 1207
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(Msg. 95) Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 6:44 pm
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"kurt wismer" <kurtw DeleteThis @sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:Kzo7c.3611$re.302122@news20.bellglobal.com...
> i've installed linux on a number of occasions... it's never forced me
> (or even asked me) to create a user other than root...
Apparently some newer distros are attempting to force idiots
to do less idiotic things while installing and setting up Linux.
On my system, the prompt is how I know I am the root user, but
evidently some newer versions make the screen background red
so people who are prompt-blind can still tell.
Maybe they could learn something from Microsoft's "safe mode"
written in each corner of the screen - "DANGEROUS MODE"
w/blinking or flashing text should do. That way even complete
and utter idiots who are colorblind can use Linux too. :O) >> Stay informed about: Why Free? |
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Since: Jul 04, 2003 Posts: 1566
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(Msg. 96) Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 7:50 pm
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FromTheRafters wrote:
> "kurt wismer" <kurtw.DeleteThis@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:Kzo7c.3611$re.302122@news20.bellglobal.com...
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>>i've installed linux on a number of occasions... it's never forced me
>>(or even asked me) to create a user other than root...
>
>
> Apparently some newer distros are attempting to force idiots
> to do less idiotic things while installing and setting up Linux.
>
> On my system, the prompt is how I know I am the root user, but
> evidently some newer versions make the screen background red
> so people who are prompt-blind can still tell.
as far as i can tell that still doesn't equate to forcing or even
asking the user to create a non-administrative account...
and if the red background happens to be on a redhat distro then the
user is probably going to think it's normal...
> Maybe they could learn something from Microsoft's "safe mode"
> written in each corner of the screen - "DANGEROUS MODE"
> w/blinking or flashing text should do. That way even complete
> and utter idiots who are colorblind can use Linux too. :O)
maybe...
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the first ones in line for that pie in the sky
and we're always the last when the cream is shared out
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Since: Jul 04, 2003 Posts: 1566
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(Msg. 97) Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 7:50 pm
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FromTheRafters wrote:
> "kurt wismer" <kurtw RemoveThis @sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:Kzo7c.3611$re.302122@news20.bellglobal.com...
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>>i've installed linux on a number of occasions... it's never forced me
>>(or even asked me) to create a user other than root...
>
>
> Apparently some newer distros are attempting to force idiots
> to do less idiotic things while installing and setting up Linux.
>
> On my system, the prompt is how I know I am the root user, but
> evidently some newer versions make the screen background red
> so people who are prompt-blind can still tell.
as far as i can tell that still doesn't equate to forcing or even
asking the user to create a non-administrative account...
and if the red background happens to be on a redhat distro then the
user is probably going to think it's normal...
> Maybe they could learn something from Microsoft's "safe mode"
> written in each corner of the screen - "DANGEROUS MODE"
> w/blinking or flashing text should do. That way even complete
> and utter idiots who are colorblind can use Linux too. :O)
maybe...
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the first ones in line for that pie in the sky
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Since: Mar 24, 2004 Posts: 4
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(Msg. 98) Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 3:50 am
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"Cathrine Lowther" <janusNOSAP.TakeThisOut@PLEASEmagma.ca> wrote in message
news:MPG.1ac4a268f5ead1a6989687@news.magma.ca...
> This is an open question, because I am genuinely curious, and because I
> work with a lot of creators of Free/Libre and Open Source software....
>
> It seems that many, many people who can afford computers and other
> software want or expect to get a really good anti-virus product for
> free. Why? Why should AV be free when almost everything else costs
> money? Or do the folk who ask about a free AV also use free/libre and
> open source software like OpenOffice (which, btw, I can highly
> recommend)?
>
One of the main reasons is that much commercial software - maybe even all of
it - has licensing agreements that say, basically, that the software you get
belongs to the company (you don't own it); if it doesn't work or if it's
buggy, you may have no recourse; if it trashes your machine, you can only
get a refund, not payment for damage it causes; if you make copies for other
machines, you are breaking the law; and so on.
Often, the free software is created by people who simply love to program.
They take pride in what they do, enjoy it, and take the time to make it
right. Commercial software has huge competitive pressures - they *must*
ship it NOW, even if it's not ready, if it's still buggy. They can't afford
to fix it if it's buggy - there just isn't enough time, if they are to
survive.
For some insight into this concept (free software, Open Source, etc.), try
the Free Software Foundation at www.gnu.org. Here they mean "free as in
speech, not free as in beer", but often it's beer-free as well. >> Stay informed about: Why Free? |
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Since: Feb 08, 2004 Posts: 177
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(Msg. 99) Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 9:20 am
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"kurt wismer" <kurtw RemoveThis @sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> FromTheRafters wrote:
>
> > "kurt wismer" <kurtw RemoveThis @sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:Kzo7c.3611$re.302122@news20.bellglobal.com...
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> >
> >>i've installed linux on a number of occasions... it's never forced me
> >>(or even asked me) to create a user other than root...
> >
> >
> > Apparently some newer distros are attempting to force idiots
> > to do less idiotic things while installing and setting up Linux.
> >
> > On my system, the prompt is how I know I am the root user, but
> > evidently some newer versions make the screen background red
> > so people who are prompt-blind can still tell.
>
> as far as i can tell that still doesn't equate to forcing or even
> asking the user to create a non-administrative account...
>
> and if the red background happens to be on a redhat distro then the
> user is probably going to think it's normal...
>
> > Maybe they could learn something from Microsoft's "safe mode"
> > written in each corner of the screen - "DANGEROUS MODE"
> > w/blinking or flashing text should do. That way even complete
> > and utter idiots who are colorblind can use Linux too. :O)
>
Mandrake 9.2 uses red for root, blue for non-admin. The setup process
creates a non-admin account.
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Since: Feb 08, 2004 Posts: 177
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(Msg. 100) Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 9:20 am
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"kurt wismer" <kurtw.TakeThisOut@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:rRL7c.10504$A_2.511787@news20.bellglobal.com...
> FromTheRafters wrote:
>
> > "kurt wismer" <kurtw.TakeThisOut@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:Kzo7c.3611$re.302122@news20.bellglobal.com...
> >
> >
> >>i've installed linux on a number of occasions... it's never forced me
> >>(or even asked me) to create a user other than root...
> >
> >
> > Apparently some newer distros are attempting to force idiots
> > to do less idiotic things while installing and setting up Linux.
> >
> > On my system, the prompt is how I know I am the root user, but
> > evidently some newer versions make the screen background red
> > so people who are prompt-blind can still tell.
>
> as far as i can tell that still doesn't equate to forcing or even
> asking the user to create a non-administrative account...
>
> and if the red background happens to be on a redhat distro then the
> user is probably going to think it's normal...
>
> > Maybe they could learn something from Microsoft's "safe mode"
> > written in each corner of the screen - "DANGEROUS MODE"
> > w/blinking or flashing text should do. That way even complete
> > and utter idiots who are colorblind can use Linux too. :O)
>
Mandrake 9.2 uses red for root, blue for non-admin. The setup process
creates a non-admin account.
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(Msg. 101) Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 9:39 am
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Shane wrote:
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> Mandrake 9.2 uses red for root, blue for non-admin. The setup process
> creates a non-admin account.
good... so there is at least one distro out there that does it...
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(Msg. 102) Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 10:03 pm
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Kelsey Bjarnason wrote:
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> I don't like paying for AV software... because it's an entirely created,
> artificial cost. The entire AV industry - all 2 billion a year of it -
> is based directly on MS's inability to write good code. Since it's
> their incompetence that caused the problem, if anyone should be paying
> for AV tools, it's them. Not the users who are victims of MS's
> failures.
>
Hmmmm. Nope!
There are viruses that affect linux ,unix, Amiga and Macintosh machines.
Trojans that exploit java vulnerabilities in non MS Java software.
Worms that spread via non MS operating systems.
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(Msg. 103) Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 10:03 pm
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Kelsey Bjarnason wrote:
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> I don't like paying for AV software... because it's an entirely created,
> artificial cost. The entire AV industry - all 2 billion a year of it -
> is based directly on MS's inability to write good code. Since it's
> their incompetence that caused the problem, if anyone should be paying
> for AV tools, it's them. Not the users who are victims of MS's
> failures.
>
Hmmmm. Nope!
There are viruses that affect linux ,unix, Amiga and Macintosh machines.
Trojans that exploit java vulnerabilities in non MS Java software.
Worms that spread via non MS operating systems.
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(Msg. 104) Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 11:01 am
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Mal wrote:
> Kelsey Bjarnason wrote:
>
> <snip>
>> I don't like paying for AV software... because it's an entirely
>> created, artificial cost. The entire AV industry - all 2 billion a
>> year of it - is based directly on MS's inability to write good code.
>> Since it's their incompetence that caused the problem, if anyone
>> should be paying for AV tools, it's them. Not the users who are
>> victims of MS's failures.
>>
>
> Hmmmm. Nope!
>
> There are viruses that affect linux ,unix, Amiga and Macintosh machines.
>
> Trojans that exploit java vulnerabilities in non MS Java software.
>
> Worms that spread via non MS operating systems.
>
> Viruses will be around no matter what OS is being used.
So 99.999% of the AV industry instead of 100%. Big deal. >> Stay informed about: Why Free? |
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