F-Prot

On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 02:21:27 GMT, "Ghostown" <none.RemoveThis@thistime.com>
wrote:

>Im sorry to disagree with you, but this is not true. I have used FPROT for
>DOS on many XP machines and never had a problem. You may have a problem on
>your machine.
>

You are wrong. There was a time when I thought as you do. It looks
like it completes fully. However, you need to look very closely at how
many files are being scanned compared to how many you have.


Jim.
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"Roger Wilco" <yesman RemoveThis @yourservice.invalid> wrote:
> "Zvi Netiv" <support RemoveThis @replace_with_domain.com> wrote in message
> > "Roger Wilco" <yesman RemoveThis @yourservice.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > > Sources I trust have mentioned here many times that F-Prot for DOS does
> > > not work properly on XP irrespective of which file system one chooses
> > > when installing XP. The OP should use F-Prot for Windows instead as
> > > mentioned by another poster.
> >
> > NTFS4DOS is a DOS driver, used to mount NTFS volumes *under DOS*. The governing
> > factor whether F-Prot will run properly on the platform is the OS, *not* the
> > target drive file system. As Frisk explained here, years ago, the problem is
> > with the DOS extender used.
>
> So, the answer to "Will F-Prot run on an XP platform ??" is still no if
> F-Prot for DOS and XP's DOS emulation are indicated? Using NTFS4DOS
> indicates the user is not using XP's DOS emulator and so the "XP
> platform" part of the question is not relevant to the answer "If you use
> NTFS4DOS it wil". It's like answering "Linux" to the question "What is
> the best AV". )

Idiotic sophistry.

It depends on what you understand as an "XP platform". A PC with only XP
installed will be considered by most users as an XP platform, even when switched
off. Hence, not the running OS is what makes it a "platform", the installed
system does.

I stand by my statement.

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On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 13:51:01 +0300, Zvi Netiv
<support.RemoveThis@replace_with_domain.com> wrote:

>Hence, not the running OS is what makes it a "platform", the installed
>system does.

I don't think many would agree with that.


Jim.
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"Roger Wilco" <yesman RemoveThis @yourservice.invalid> wrote:
> "* * Chas" <dnafutz RemoveThis @aol.spam.com> wrote in message
> > "James Egan" <jegan RemoveThis @jegan.com> wrote in message

> > Actually, it does - from a DOS boot disk..... but it probably doesn't
> > scan correctly.
>
> Actually it doesn't - a boot to DOS is no longer an "XP platform"

A platform isn't defined by what you boot to. Most users will call a platform
after the installed OS(s).

> whereas a DOS window within XP would still be. Booting to DOS would not
> support NTFS without the driver supplied by NTFS4DOS (for scanning) and
> then you would need to pro version to affect any changes (write
> capability).

Wrong again. NTFS4DOS is a free full access NTFS driver for DOS, from Datapool.
You are confusing it with NTFSDOS from Winternals. It's the latter that has a
pro version, required for full access (read-write).

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Why has this thread gone on for so long? I will try to finish it here.

It is perfectly simple. F-Prot for DOS will NOT run PROPERLY under a
Windows XP "platform", whatever your file system is. It will NOT run
PROPERLY using a NTFS file system. and it will NOT run PROPERLY under a
FAT32 file system either.

This is because Windows XP does not use DOS, it uses DOS "emulation". And
certain aspects of this DOS "emulation" are not compatible with some
advanced aspects of the F-Prot for DOS Antivirus Program.

Now, if you are going to boot your PC from a floppy disk or CD-ROM, then you
may be able to get F-Prot for DOS to work properly. There are lots of
options if you boot from a floppy disk or CD-ROM. You can choose DOS, DOS
with long filemame support, NTFSDOS Pro with long filename support etc etc.

But if you do this, then you are not running F-Prot for DOS under a Windows
XP "platform". You are running it under whichever "platform" you chose to
boot your PC with.

Simple isn't it?
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Yrael wrote:
[snip]
> Now, if you are going to boot your PC from a floppy disk or CD-ROM, then you
> may be able to get F-Prot for DOS to work properly. There are lots of
> options if you boot from a floppy disk or CD-ROM. You can choose DOS, DOS
> with long filemame support, NTFSDOS Pro with long filename support etc etc.
>
> But if you do this, then you are not running F-Prot for DOS under a Windows
> XP "platform". You are running it under whichever "platform" you chose to
> boot your PC with.
>
> Simple isn't it?

in order to not run afoul of zvi's point on what constitutes an xp
platform, you might want to revise this to state that you're not running
in a windows xp *environment*...

the _platform_ is kind of a red herring...

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On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 05:40:23 -0700, Jafo <a RemoveThis @nospam.invalid> wrote:

>>Im sorry to disagree with you, but this is not true. I have
>>used FPROT for DOS on many XP machines and never had a problem.
>>You may have a problem on your machine.
>
>Depends on whether the disk is FAT32 or NTFS.

That's not it, either.

F-Prot DOS won't work properly in a xp dos window irrespective of
filesystem.


Jim.
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"kurt wismer" <kurtw.RemoveThis@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> Yrael wrote:
> [snip]
>> Now, if you are going to boot your PC from a floppy disk or CD-ROM, then
>> you may be able to get F-Prot for DOS to work properly. There are lots
>> of options if you boot from a floppy disk or CD-ROM. You can choose DOS,
>> DOS with long filemame support, NTFSDOS Pro with long filename support
>> etc etc.
>>
>> But if you do this, then you are not running F-Prot for DOS under a
>> Windows XP "platform". You are running it under whichever "platform" you
>> chose to boot your PC with.
>>
>> Simple isn't it?
>
> in order to not run afoul of zvi's point on what constitutes an xp
> platform, you might want to revise this to state that you're not running
> in a windows xp *environment*...
>
> the _platform_ is kind of a red herring...
--------------------------------------------------------------------

Fair comment Kurt. I am not absolutely sure of the exact semantic
difference between a "platform" and an "environment" myself, or even if
there is one!

But I think the "original" query has been answered.
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"James Egan" <jegan DeleteThis @jegan.com> wrote in message
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| On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 05:40:23 -0700, Jafo <a DeleteThis @nospam.invalid> wrote:
|
| >>Im sorry to disagree with you, but this is not true. I have
| >>used FPROT for DOS on many XP machines and never had a problem.
| >>You may have a problem on your machine.
| >
| >Depends on whether the disk is FAT32 or NTFS.
|
| That's not it, either.
|
| F-Prot DOS won't work properly in a xp dos window irrespective of
| filesystem.
|
|
| Jim.
|

The discussion has turned into a comparison similar to the 4 blind men
describing an elephant from 4 different locations - the trunk, the tail,
a leg and the belly!

Without an understanding of the situation, I have "run" F-Prot for DOS
in DOS Windows on NT4, Win2k and XP with both FAT32 and NTFS file
systems. I've also run it from a DOS boot floppy disk on the afore
mentioned OSs.

Whether F-Prot worked as intended is another issue. From all I've read
including Frisk Software, F-Prot for DOS didn't do a complete scan of
all the files is was configured to check on these systems even though it
completed the scans.

F-Prot for DOS is not completely compatible with the NTFS and XP file
systems - that's where the problem exists. It probably checks the boot
sectors and memory OK, after that????

Chas.
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"Zvi Netiv" <support.RemoveThis@replace_with_domain.com> wrote in message
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> "Roger Wilco" <yesman.RemoveThis@yourservice.invalid> wrote:
> > "Zvi Netiv" <support.RemoveThis@replace_with_domain.com> wrote in message
> > > "Roger Wilco" <yesman.RemoveThis@yourservice.invalid> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Sources I trust have mentioned here many times that F-Prot for
DOS does
> > > > not work properly on XP irrespective of which file system one
chooses
> > > > when installing XP. The OP should use F-Prot for Windows instead
as
> > > > mentioned by another poster.
> > >
> > > NTFS4DOS is a DOS driver, used to mount NTFS volumes *under DOS*.
The governing
> > > factor whether F-Prot will run properly on the platform is the OS,
*not* the
> > > target drive file system. As Frisk explained here, years ago, the
problem is
> > > with the DOS extender used.
> >
> > So, the answer to "Will F-Prot run on an XP platform ??" is still
no if
> > F-Prot for DOS and XP's DOS emulation are indicated? Using NTFS4DOS
> > indicates the user is not using XP's DOS emulator and so the "XP
> > platform" part of the question is not relevant to the answer "If you
use
> > NTFS4DOS it wil". It's like answering "Linux" to the question "What
is
> > the best AV". )
>
> Idiotic sophistry.
>
> It depends on what you understand as an "XP platform". A PC with only
XP
> installed will be considered by most users as an XP platform, even
when switched
> off. Hence, not the running OS is what makes it a "platform", the
installed
> system does.

When my computer is turned off, it is only a platform for my monitor.

Okay, so F-Prot for DOS works fine on an XP platform as long as you are
not running XP.

Funny, that sounds even worse to me.
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Yrael a écrit :

> Fair comment Kurt. I am not absolutely sure of the exact semantic
> difference between a "platform" and an "environment" myself, or even if
> there is one!

Perhaps one could argue that the environment consists of the
hard-/software that is currently active while the platform includes
everything that is... well... "there", no matter whether it's being used
or not. The platform is perhaps more fundamental.

I doubt if there is a general agreement on what distinguishes a platform
from an environment if there is a difference at all.
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of course, if you identify a file in XP and tell FP dos to scan it and
it reports that it did scan it .. then it DID run.

The answer is that it doesnt scan the entire system without hand
holding and brainless button pushing.

However it does a dandy job of scanning your garden variety "is this a
problem" file

Oh and it also does a dandy job of scanning floppy disks that are IN
an XP system.


So in other words, it runs fine under XP. Just use it to scan files
and folders YOU pick, and it does what you ask.

Simple, isnt it ?

Jafo <a RemoveThis @nospam.invalid> wrote:

>As viewed from alt.comp.anti-virus, Ghostown wrote:
>
>>"badgolferman" wrote...
>>>Richard Oliver wrote:
>>>>Will F-Prot run on an XP platform ??
>
>>>F-Prot for Windows will, F-Prot for DOS won't. At first it
>>>looks like it is, but it shuts down shortly into the scan.
>>
>>Im sorry to disagree with you, but this is not true. I have
>>used FPROT for DOS on many XP machines and never had a problem.
>>You may have a problem on your machine.
>
>Depends on whether the disk is FAT32 or NTFS.

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As viewed from alt.comp.anti-virus, * * Chas wrote:

>I have "run" F-Prot for DOS in DOS Windows on NT4, Win2k and XP
>with both FAT32 and NTFS file systems. I've also run it from a
>DOS boot floppy disk on the afore mentioned OSs.

Really? Boot from that DOS diskette with a C drive that's NTFS.
Type dir c:
What do you get?

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