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Frederic Bonroy wrote:

<snip BS>
> If it's the humanitarian aspect that you're trying to emphasize, keep in
> mind that Iraqis under Saddam were better off than North-Koreans for
> example, or those who inhabit war-torn regions of Africa where ethnic
> clashes occur on a daily basis. The fact that the US showed little
> interest in trying to contribute to improving the situation in the
> Congo, where people were getting *mass-slaughtered*, and Liberia is
> quite revealing.
>
>
Well, you can certainly agree that we can't solve everything, and
certainly that we can't do it all at once. While what does go on in any
war torn region is indeed a sad state of affairs for the people forced
to survive there, if the US were to go in to all these areas all at once
and try to help, they would just get in the way. Why doesn't the UN get
off it's lazy ass and help out, and why don't I see Europeans in there?

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"Frederic Bonroy" <bidonavirus.RemoveThis@yahoo.fr> wrote in message news:c17crd$1fl0p8$2@ID-75150.news.uni-berlin.de...
> FromTheRafters wrote:
>
> > IIRC it was believed to be true that Saddam was financially
> > compensating the families of suicide bombers. Furthermore,
> > from his actions against his own population it was evident
> > that he supports terrorism and the use of WMD to attain
> > his goals. He had to be dealt with, and diplomacy was only
> > playing to his favor.
>
> Diplomacy is also playing to Kim Jong Il's favor, and that guy is much
> more likely to have nukes than Saddam, and to use them against his
> southern neighbor (aside from the fact that the situation there is even
> worse than it was under Saddam in terms of living conditions).

Unfortunately true.

> Curiously Bush is much more inclined to use diplomacy here.

Yeah, but much remains to be seen. I don't think it would be
good to divert our attention too far away from Iraq just yet.
We'll have to wait and see what the new US figurehead gets
blamed for.
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On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 15:26:41 -0800, Big Will
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wrote:

>... 2)the US even went so far as to drop precision guided blocks of
>concrete to destroy their target in populated areas (tanks) while
>leaving the surrounding areas undammaged,..

Can you recall where you heard or read of those precision guided
blocks?

Thanks.
Geo
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Big Will wrote:

> How can you say that, when he's spreading anti-american propaganda (as
> well as anti-bush propaganda) left and right. I don't care if you like
> Bush or not, but to say that he's killed more then the Taliban just
> ain't true,

Well, *I* didn't say that.
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Frederic Bonroy wrote:

> Big Will wrote:
>
>> How can you say that, when he's spreading anti-american propaganda (as
>> well as anti-bush propaganda) left and right. I don't care if you
>> like Bush or not, but to say that he's killed more then the Taliban
>> just ain't true,
>
>
> Well, *I* didn't say that.
No, you didn't, but you neglected that when considering where he fits in
your categorization of ideological types.

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Big Will wrote:

> Too bad I can't bring you back in time to Afghanistan when the Taliban
> ruled it, and show you just how many Afghanies they've killed. Too bad
> I can't take you back to 9-11-01, otherwise you would definatly see just
> how justified the war on terror is.

The war on Iraq contributed close to nothing to the war on terror. Iraq
wasn't a terrorist haven but it definitely is now.
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Frederic Bonroy wrote:

> Big Will wrote:
>
>> Too bad I can't bring you back in time to Afghanistan when the Taliban
>> ruled it, and show you just how many Afghanies they've killed. Too
>> bad I can't take you back to 9-11-01, otherwise you would definatly
>> see just how justified the war on terror is.
>
>
> The war on Iraq contributed close to nothing to the war on terror. Iraq
> wasn't a terrorist haven but it definitely is now.
LOL. Here's where you're wrong.
1) The Sadaam regime itself brought terror on its own people, Sadaam
Husein was a terrorist.
2) There were terrorist training camps in Iraq. As bush said shortly
after 9-11, "If you harbor a terrorist, then you are a terrorist."
3) Ya, it's now a terrorist hotbead. We now have a real, more tangible
front on terrorism, which works to the US advantage, despite the damage
that these terrorrist are causing to the Iraqis.

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Big Will wrote:

> Well, you can certainly agree that we can't solve everything, and
> certainly that we can't do it all at once. While what does go on in any
> war torn region is indeed a sad state of affairs for the people forced
> to survive there, if the US were to go in to all these areas all at once
> and try to help, they would just get in the way. Why doesn't the UN get
> off it's lazy ass and help out, and why don't I see Europeans in there?

If you don't see Europeans in Africa then it's because you don't look
attentively enough. Africa is teeming with European troops.
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Frederic Bonroy wrote:

> Big Will wrote:
>
>> Well, you can certainly agree that we can't solve everything, and
>> certainly that we can't do it all at once. While what does go on in
>> any war torn region is indeed a sad state of affairs for the people
>> forced to survive there, if the US were to go in to all these areas
>> all at once and try to help, they would just get in the way. Why
>> doesn't the UN get off it's lazy ass and help out, and why don't I see
>> Europeans in there?
>
>
> If you don't see Europeans in Africa then it's because you don't look
> attentively enough. Africa is teeming with European troops.
Oh, good. Then they (the Europeans) should know how hard it is to keep
the peace, and therefore understand why the US can't progress until the
Iraq situation is taken care of and this burdon on our resources is
relieved.

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Big Will wrote:

> No, you didn't, but you neglected that when considering where he fits in
> your categorization of ideological types.

No, don't you think he looks like someone who despises America on principle?
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Frederic Bonroy wrote:

> Big Will wrote:
>
>> No, you didn't, but you neglected that when considering where he fits
>> in your categorization of ideological types.
>
>
> No, don't you think he looks like someone who despises America on
> principle?
I appologize then, for some reason I thought you placed him in category
3. However, I don't know if he's anti-US all together, but more
anti-Bush on principle, just from what little he's posted.

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Big Will wrote:

> Oh, good. Then they (the Europeans) should know how hard it is to keep
> the peace, and therefore understand why the US can't progress until the
> Iraq situation is taken care of and this burdon on our resources is
> relieved.

The difference is that European countries do not tackle problems they
know they cannot solve alone. If you look at the EU intervention in the
Congo, it was led by the French but there were also troops from Germany,
Sweden, Belgium and Canada.

Nobody can pacify a country as vast as Iraq alone, not even the US with
its huge military. And I dare say that the contribution from the
"coalition of the willing" is relatively insignificant considering the
extent of the problem. The US should have thought of that before...
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Frederic Bonroy wrote:

> Big Will wrote:
>
>> Oh, good. Then they (the Europeans) should know how hard it is to
>> keep the peace, and therefore understand why the US can't progress
>> until the Iraq situation is taken care of and this burdon on our
>> resources is relieved.
>
>
> The difference is that European countries do not tackle problems they
> know they cannot solve alone. If you look at the EU intervention in the
> Congo, it was led by the French but there were also troops from Germany,
> Sweden, Belgium and Canada.
>
> Nobody can pacify a country as vast as Iraq alone, not even the US with
> its huge military.
That's why we also have British, as well as Spanish troops there as
well. Furthermore, this is not a beast that we need to slay, that's
already been done. What we're trying to do now is put the small fires
of resistance out and aide the Iraqies in setting up an interim
government that will be capable of providing the skeletal structure
needed for the Iraqies to set up their own government. Sure, this isn't
an easy task, and no one said it would be, but it NEEDS to be done if we
are to prevent the rise of another Taliban. Eventually, the Iraqies
will be able to passify themselves, and we could then move on to the
next terrorist regime.

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