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Ray K

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 2:56 pm
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I've collected a bunch of free (or almost free) programs for preventing
malware from entering a computer and detecting any already present:
AdAware, AVG, Avast, Avira, SpyBoy, Malwarebytes, SUPERAntiSpyware. I'm
sure there are lots of others that I don't know about.

Any suggestions for program combinations that will prevent most of the
bad stuff from ever getting into my computer? I'm looking for
thoroughness, compatible with each other, and minimal slowdown of
incoming material of all sorts (mainly email, photos, videos, music).
XP, SP3, OS.

(I know this kind of question often triggers flame wars, but I hope this
doesn't happen here.)

One of the things I didn't like about AVG (or was it Avast?) was that it
was daily downloading huge update files, make the computer sluggish
while the d/l was in progress. I find it hard to believe that there are
that many new threats every day. I suspect it is a marketing ploy to
exaggerated the dangers. Then again, I may just be naive, but the other
programs don't update anywhere near as often.

Thanks for your advice.

Ray

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 2:57 pm
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On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 14:56:59 -0500, Ray K
wrote:

>I've collected a bunch of free (or almost free) programs for preventing
>malware from entering a computer and detecting any already present:
>AdAware, AVG, Avast, Avira, SpyBoy, Malwarebytes, SUPERAntiSpyware. I'm
>sure there are lots of others that I don't know about.
>
>Any suggestions for program combinations that will prevent most of the
>bad stuff from ever getting into my computer? I'm looking for
>thoroughness, compatible with each other, and minimal slowdown of
>incoming material of all sorts (mainly email, photos, videos, music).
>XP, SP3, OS.
>
>(I know this kind of question often triggers flame wars, but I hope this
>doesn't happen here.)
>
>One of the things I didn't like about AVG (or was it Avast?) was that it
>was daily downloading huge update files, make the computer sluggish
>while the d/l was in progress. I find it hard to believe that there are
>that many new threats every day. I suspect it is a marketing ploy to
>exaggerated the dangers. Then again, I may just be naive, but the other
>programs don't update anywhere near as often.
>
>Thanks for your advice.
>
>Ray

While not FREE I wanted to make mention (concerning your remark about
Avast large-sized daily updates) that Norton 2010 AV and NIS utilize
"Pulse Update" technology and it works as you might think from the name
used. On my NIS 2010 installation I get these pulse updates every few
minutes which take a couple seconds at most each update to keep one's
Norton security product fully updated. I like that approach very much.
Not only is it resource conservative but unlike those AV products that
do scheduled 'daily updates' you are not left vulnerable to new threats
waiting for tomorrow's 'daily update'

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David H. Lipman

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 3:26 pm
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From: "Ray K"

| I've collected a bunch of free (or almost free) programs for preventing
| malware from entering a computer and detecting any already present:
| AdAware, AVG, Avast, Avira, SpyBoy, Malwarebytes, SUPERAntiSpyware. I'm
| sure there are lots of others that I don't know about.

| Any suggestions for program combinations that will prevent most of the
| bad stuff from ever getting into my computer? I'm looking for
| thoroughness, compatible with each other, and minimal slowdown of
| incoming material of all sorts (mainly email, photos, videos, music).
| XP, SP3, OS.

| (I know this kind of question often triggers flame wars, but I hope this
| doesn't happen here.)

| One of the things I didn't like about AVG (or was it Avast?) was that it
| was daily downloading huge update files, make the computer sluggish
| while the d/l was in progress. I find it hard to believe that there are
| that many new threats every day. I suspect it is a marketing ploy to
| exaggerated the dangers. Then again, I may just be naive, but the other
| programs don't update anywhere near as often.

| Thanks for your advice.

| Ray

All the software in the world will NOT protect you if you do bot follow Safe Hex
practices.

That's what you need to learn.

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http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp
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Bad Boy Charlie

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 5:59 pm
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On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 15:26:43 -0500, "David H. Lipman"
wrote:

>From: "Ray K"
>
>| I've collected a bunch of free (or almost free) programs for preventing
>| malware from entering a computer and detecting any already present:
>| AdAware, AVG, Avast, Avira, SpyBoy, Malwarebytes, SUPERAntiSpyware. I'm
>| sure there are lots of others that I don't know about.
>
>| Any suggestions for program combinations that will prevent most of the
>| bad stuff from ever getting into my computer? I'm looking for
>| thoroughness, compatible with each other, and minimal slowdown of
>| incoming material of all sorts (mainly email, photos, videos, music).
>| XP, SP3, OS.
>
>| (I know this kind of question often triggers flame wars, but I hope this
>| doesn't happen here.)
>
>| One of the things I didn't like about AVG (or was it Avast?) was that it
>| was daily downloading huge update files, make the computer sluggish
>| while the d/l was in progress. I find it hard to believe that there are
>| that many new threats every day. I suspect it is a marketing ploy to
>| exaggerated the dangers. Then again, I may just be naive, but the other
>| programs don't update anywhere near as often.
>
>| Thanks for your advice.
>
>| Ray
>
>All the software in the world will NOT protect you if you do bot follow Safe Hex
>practices.
>
>That's what you need to learn.

That's a true story..the best 'Security Suite' is between your ears.
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FromTheRafters

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 10:55 pm
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"Ray K" wrote in message

> I've collected a bunch of free (or almost free) programs for
> preventing malware from entering a computer

Snort, on a dedicated firewall?

> and detecting any already present:

It kinda has to 'be there' to be detected, no?

> AdAware, AVG, Avast, Avira, SpyBoy, Malwarebytes, SUPERAntiSpyware.
> I'm sure there are lots of others that I don't know about.

All of those require the malware to be 'on the computer'.

> Any suggestions for program combinations that will prevent most of the
> bad stuff from ever getting into my computer? I'm looking for
> thoroughness, compatible with each other, and minimal slowdown of
> incoming material of all sorts (mainly email, photos, videos, music).
> XP, SP3, OS.

A dedicated firewall appliance running with your choice of tools.

Otherwise, you will have to analyse "on your machine" what was accepted.

> (I know this kind of question often triggers flame wars, but I hope
> this doesn't happen here.)

Bring it on, troublemaker! Surprised)

> One of the things I didn't like about AVG (or was it Avast?) was that
> it was daily downloading huge update files, make the computer sluggish
> while the d/l was in progress. I find it hard to believe that there
> are that many new threats every day. I suspect it is a marketing ploy
> to exaggerated the dangers. Then again, I may just be naive, but the
> other programs don't update anywhere near as often.

All you've told us so far is that you want lots of protection running
but don't want the rest of the running programs to appear slower. Well,
that just isn't going to happen unless you take my suggestion about a
dedicated device.

I'm running Avira's AntiVir (free version) on my XP machine and Alwil's
Avast! (free version) on my Vista machine. I use Malwarebytes'
Anti-Malware (free) on my XP machine because that's the one I take the
most chances with - but some people like to have an antimalware with
active protection too (both SuperAntiSpyware and MBAM have paid versions
that have active protection IIRC).

More and more, scanners are going 'wide spectrum' and start to interfere
with one another. Your paid versions of AV have added value such as
anti-spyware modules and privacy nannies, they may interfere with your
chosen AS or privacy enhancing software.
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PajaP

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 2:29 am
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On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 14:56:59 -0500, Ray K
wrote:

>I've collected a bunch of free (or almost free) programs for preventing
>malware from entering a computer and detecting any already present:
>AdAware, AVG, Avast, Avira, SpyBoy, Malwarebytes, SUPERAntiSpyware. I'm
>sure there are lots of others that I don't know about.
>
>Any suggestions for program combinations that will prevent most of the
>bad stuff from ever getting into my computer?

All you need is Microsoft Security Essentials and the Windows firewall.
The usual safe hex rules apply and keeping your computer OS and *all*
software up to date with any security updates and patches.
Microsoft can be trusted to protect their OS, despite what a few
individuals might think.

>(I know this kind of question often triggers flame wars, but I hope this
>doesn't happen here.)

Why would it. We call it discussion here Wink
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Beauregard T. Shagnasty

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 9:42 am
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PajaP wrote:

> All you need is Microsoft Security Essentials and the Windows firewall.
> The usual safe hex rules apply and keeping your computer OS and *all*
> software up to date with any security updates and patches. Microsoft can
> be trusted to protect their OS, despite what a few individuals might
> think.

You work for Microsoft, don't you? <lol>

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Paul_Jones

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 4:26 pm
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On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 09:42:33 -0500, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
wrote:

>PajaP wrote:
>
>> All you need is Microsoft Security Essentials and the Windows firewall.
>> The usual safe hex rules apply and keeping your computer OS and *all*
>> software up to date with any security updates and patches. Microsoft can
>> be trusted to protect their OS, despite what a few individuals might
>> think.
>
>You work for Microsoft, don't you? <lol>

No, just a realist Wink
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Virus Guy

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 10:16 pm
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"David H. Lipman" wrote:

> All the software in the world will NOT protect you if you do bot
> follow Safe Hex practices.

Safe Hex was a quaint concept 5 - 10 years ago. It's irrelevant today.

How does one practice safe hex against DNS poisoning or server-farm
hijacking?
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David H. Lipman

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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 10:21 pm
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From: "Virus Guy"

| "David H. Lipman" wrote:

>> All the software in the world will NOT protect you if you do bot
>> follow Safe Hex practices.

| Safe Hex was a quaint concept 5 - 10 years ago. It's irrelevant today.

| How does one practice safe hex against DNS poisoning or server-farm
| hijacking?

Safe Hex is as important then as it is now. There may be MORE threats Today but there are
still the vast majority of common threats that haven't changed.

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Virus Guy

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(Msg. 11) Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 10:34 pm
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"David H. Lipman" wrote:

> | How does one practice safe hex against DNS poisoning or server
> | farm hijacking?
>
> Safe Hex is as important then as it is now.

You didn't answer the question.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 10:35 pm
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From: "Virus Guy"

| "David H. Lipman" wrote:

>> | How does one practice safe hex against DNS poisoning or server
>> | farm hijacking?

>> Safe Hex is as important then as it is now.

| You didn't answer the question.

It doesn't have to be and you snipped the qualifying statement erroneously!

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Beauregard T. Shagnasty

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(Msg. 13) Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 10:47 pm
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Virus Guy wrote:

> "David H. Lipman" wrote:
>> [Virus Guy wrote:]
>>| [reinstated:] Safe Hex was a quaint concept 5 - 10 years ago. It's
>>| irrelevant today.

>>| How does one practice safe hex against DNS poisoning or server
>>| farm hijacking?
>>
>> Safe Hex is as important then as it is now.
>
> You didn't answer the question.

He was addressing and discussing your incorrect statement about Safe Hex
being irrelevant. Practicing Safe Hex with one's own PC (keeping it
infection-free) is just as, if not more so, important now as it was.

Leave the server hijacking to their administrators.

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(Msg. 14) Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 12:13 am
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"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote:

> >>| How does one practice safe hex against DNS poisoning or server
> >>| farm hijacking?
> >>
> >> Safe Hex is as important then as it is now.
> >
> > You didn't answer the question.
>
> He was addressing and discussing your incorrect statement about
> Safe Hex being irrelevant. Practicing Safe Hex with one's own
> PC (keeping it infection-free) is just as, if not more so,
> important now as it was.

Those are two different concepts.

Your computer (the OS and it's ability to patch itself, various system
and program settings, active and passive malware counter measures) does
or will function autonomously to keep itself free of malware. The
extent of which depends variably on the user but for which Microsoft
(with each new version of windoze) is taking that role away from the
user.

Safe Hex is the quaint idea that the user can (or should) constantly
evaluate the useage of his computer (the websites he visits, the e-mail
attachments that he launches, the software he agrees to or wants to
download and run, etc).

My point was that Safe Hex can't apply to situations such as DNS
poisoning, server hijacking, and possibly other forms of system exposure
to malware. You can be a strict observer of safe hex and still succumb
to malware installation via those routes.

On a tangent, I might even go so far as to say that anyone that doesn't,
can't, or won't properly evaluate malware risks (ie - if they don't
practice "safe hex") probably has nothing to lose (or it is of little or
no consequence to them) if their machine becomes infected.

Safe hex was coined during the time when PC's were a little more scarce
and expensive than they are now - expecially in the home or SOHO.
Meaning that any given computer back then was being put to more
important usage compared to today.

This was before the botnet phenomena emerged - a time when there was
more malware in circulation that could cripple a system or it's files
(sometimes intentionally - sometimes not). The emergence of the botnet
meant that it was more important to NOT dammage or harm the
functionality of the infected machine, because the machine was now more
valuable if it kept functioning.
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 2:30 am
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On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 22:16:48 -0500, Virus Guy wrote:

>"David H. Lipman" wrote:
>
>> All the software in the world will NOT protect you if you do bot
>> follow Safe Hex practices.
>
>Safe Hex was a quaint concept 5 - 10 years ago. It's irrelevant today.
>
>How does one practice safe hex against DNS poisoning or server-farm
>hijacking?

Healthy living was a quaint concept 5 - 10 years ago. Its irrelevant
today.

How does one live healthily against murder, being run over or terrorism
attacks?

Yes, My statements are as stupid as yours (though mine are intentional).
I will continue to practice safe hex and be sure to exercise and eat my
greens!
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