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Craig Davies

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 7:31 pm
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Which is the better option out of the two:
Norton Internet Security 2006
Mcafee 8 Internet Security Suite 2006

In terms of its user-friendly useage? Any problems you have experienced with
either them etc Also if you have both which did you prefer and why

I want to get one and i aint sure which one.

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 7:31 pm
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Per Beauregard T. Shagnasty:
>Follow Jim's advice, and then add a personal firewall, such as Kerio.

Anybody want to venture an opinion on the firewall that comes built in to XP?

I'm about to dump PC-Cillin in favor of Kaspersky, and if the XP firewall is
good enough I'll stop there.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 7:31 pm
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Per Art:
>The XP firewall serves the purpose of blocking unsolicited inbound,
>whcih is all you need for defense. There are several free software
>firewalls that no only do that but also alert users to unauthorised
>outbound (plus usually some other features). The best bet though
>is a "always there" external router/firewall so you have protection
>when your sw firewall is temporarily disabled for any reason. Remember
>that it's easy for malicious code to defeat software firewalls (and av
>software). And consider what your plan is if you ever have to reformat
>and reinstall Windows, and go online. It just takes a few minutes to
>take a hit nowdays. So don't depend on taking the time to download
>a sw firewall ... keep a copy of the install file on CD.

I've got a hardware firewall.

Been there on the "just takes a few minutes" scenario. I think it was before I
got the hardware firewall. Wound up with something that was sending
invitations to other computers to hit on me. Was getting 2-3 hits per second
and, because of TrendMicro/PC-Cillin's goofey interruptive warning dialog it
basically rendered my PC useless.

Given a hardware firewall - LinkSys router with NAS (whatever that is....)
would you feel comfortable with XP inbound-only software firewall or would you
take the time to get one of the freebies that goes both ways... or would you
purchase something?
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 8:19 pm
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"Craig Davies" <c.j.davies.RemoveThis@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> Which is the better option out of the two:
> Norton Internet Security 2006
> Mcafee 8 Internet Security Suite 2006
>
> In terms of its user-friendly useage? Any problems you have experienced
> with
> either them etc Also if you have both which did you prefer and why
>
> I want to get one and i aint sure which one.
>
>
Neither. Both are resource hogs.
Get Kaspersky or Nod32. These two use less resources and find more malware.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 10:43 pm
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(PeteCresswell) wrote:

> Per Beauregard T. Shagnasty:
>>Follow Jim's advice, and then add a personal firewall, such as Kerio.
>
> Anybody want to venture an opinion on the firewall that comes built in
> to XP?

Sure. It's Inbound only. 'Nuf said?

> I'm about to dump PC-Cillin in favor of Kaspersky, and if the XP
> firewall is good enough I'll stop there.

Don't stop there... Smile

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 10:43 pm
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"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous.RemoveThis@example.invalid> wrote in message
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> (PeteCresswell) wrote:
>
>> Per Beauregard T. Shagnasty:
>>>Follow Jim's advice, and then add a personal firewall, such as Kerio.
>>
>> Anybody want to venture an opinion on the firewall that comes built in
>> to XP?
>
> Sure. It's Inbound only. 'Nuf said?

Not after Windows XP SP-2 (but obviously you need to be using Windows XP for
that service pack). If an application wants a connection, you will get a
prompt. However, there is very little you get to configure regarding that
connection. What you get, after first FULLY allowing that application to
connect, are the following configurable options for the application rule
that got added (under the Exceptions tab):

To specify the set of computers for which this port or program is unblocked:
- Any computer (including those on the Internet).
- My network (subnet only).
- Custom list.

Note that both an appliation or a port can be restricted. While these rules
do not allow the user to configure whether the connection allowed is only
inbound, only outbound, or both, it does offer control over which
application can have ANY connection. That is, it is not strictly an
outbound-connection rule but then neither are application rules in 3rd party
firewalls. For example, I use Sygate and it also defaults to allowing both
inbound and outbound connects to a process and I have to edit that app rule
to make it an outbound-only connect, like for the svchost.exe process. Just
because other firewalls have application rules, remember that most aren't
just defining outbound permission. Most default to giving full permission
in BOTH directions and it is up to you to decide if you want to further
restrict the direction of traffic (regarding unsolicited traffic). But even
Windows firewall gives you the same function of specifying if a program can
even get a connection in the first place.

So it is a misconception that the Windows firewall doesn't have application
rules. It does but it permits traffic in both directions - but then so do
most other firewalls (they just let you further edit the rule to block or
allow in only one direction or allow both). If you wander around to all
those desktops that are running 3rd party firewalls, you will see most users
simply use the default application rule that gets defined by their 3rd party
firewall, and those default app rules permit traffic in BOTH directions. In
other words, by default, the applications rules in most firewalls are simply
access control lists that decide if an application will have a connection
but don't specify the direction of traffic.

Some firewalls, like Norton's, have a database of common applications with
preset rules, so when you allow the application to have a connection then
you get those preset rules from their database. I think ZoneAlarm might
also have a list of common applications to know how it should configure app
rules for those. The McAfee and Sygate firewalls simply default to allowing
FULL access (i.e., inbound and outbound) and you have to follow up by
editing the app rule to make it one-directional, if even needed.

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 9:49 pm
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Craig Davies wrote:
> Which is the better option out of the two:
> Norton Internet Security 2006
> Mcafee 8 Internet Security Suite 2006
>
> In terms of its user-friendly useage? Any problems you have experienced
> with
> either them etc Also if you have both which did you prefer and why
>
> I want to get one and i aint sure which one.

nis2006 IS AWFUL AWFUL. The awfulness is made slightly less awful if your
computer has plenty of ram, 512mb.

You should not attempt to run nis2006 on an xp machine with 256mb of memory,
Mcafee has similar difficulties.

Plenty of alternatives exist, for free AVG is excellent...If you insist on
handing over cash NOD32 always recieves rave reviews.

The problems with norton and mcafee are not their definitions, they have the
best going, especially mcaffee, their problem is the software is so truly
truly awful, it is buggy, slow to respond, and frequently deactivates for no
reason, they infest every area of your computer and can reduce performance
by more then 90%.

In laboratory conditions they appear to be good, put them in the wild though
and they are a real piece of poo.

Gaz
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 9:51 pm
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Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
> (PeteCresswell) wrote:
>
>> Per Beauregard T. Shagnasty:
>>> Follow Jim's advice, and then add a personal firewall, such as Kerio.
>>
>> Anybody want to venture an opinion on the firewall that comes built in
>> to XP?
>
> Sure. It's Inbound only. 'Nuf said?

For a novice user, who just gives permission to eveything on their firewal,
to stop the popup warnings (as *every* novice customer I have come across
has done,) they are no better protection. XP firewall is sufficient for the
majority of home users, for the majority of the time.

Gaz
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 11:56 pm
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"Craig Davies" <c.j.davies.RemoveThis@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> Which is the better option out of the two:
> Norton Internet Security 2006
> Mcafee 8 Internet Security Suite 2006
>
> In terms of its user-friendly useage? Any problems you have
experienced with
> either them etc Also if you have both which did you prefer and why
>
> I want to get one and i aint sure which one.
>

Neither!

I agree with Beauregard T. Shagnasty.

Chas.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 8:41 am
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"Gaz" <gazter.TakeThisOut@msn.com> wrote in message
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> Craig Davies wrote:
>> Which is the better option out of the two:
>> Norton Internet Security 2006
>> Mcafee 8 Internet Security Suite 2006
>>
>> In terms of its user-friendly useage? Any problems you have experienced
>> with
>> either them etc Also if you have both which did you prefer and why
>>
>> I want to get one and i aint sure which one.
>
> nis2006 IS AWFUL AWFUL. The awfulness is made slightly less awful if your
> computer has plenty of ram, 512mb.
>
> You should not attempt to run nis2006 on an xp machine with 256mb of
> memory, Mcafee has similar difficulties.
>
> Plenty of alternatives exist, for free AVG is excellent...If you insist on
> handing over cash NOD32 always recieves rave reviews.
>
> The problems with norton and mcafee are not their definitions, they have
> the best going, especially mcaffee, their problem is the software is so
> truly truly awful, it is buggy, slow to respond, and frequently
> deactivates for no reason, they infest every area of your computer and can
> reduce performance by more then 90%.
>
> In laboratory conditions they appear to be good, put them in the wild
> though and they are a real piece of poo.

Defino not good for my PC then as I run Win 98 and 64MB memory
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 4:16 pm
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Craig Davies - 10.02.2006 09:57 :

> I will only need the anti virus and firewall. As my email with BTInternet
> works well with spam - as around 200 a day goes straight to the bulk folder
> and at least 1 a week comes into my inbox. I will try those links you gave,
> thanks

*NO* need fullquoting ~ 150 quotinlines (snipped) again. GRRR.

Please learn to quote. THX in advance.

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(Msg. 12) Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 7:04 pm
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"Craig Davies" <nospam.DeleteThis@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Gaz" <gazter.DeleteThis@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:451rn5F4iv84U1@individual.net...
> > Craig Davies wrote:
> >> Which is the better option out of the two:
> >> Norton Internet Security 2006
> >> Mcafee 8 Internet Security Suite 2006
<snip>
>
> Defino not good for my PC then as I run Win 98 and 64MB memory
>

I run mostly Win98SE systems and I have NOD32 or F-Prot on all of them.
Both programs work great. I use NOD32 for the systems that I go online
with.

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(Msg. 13) Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 11:58 am
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"GALAracunala" <galaracunala DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Hello Craig,
>
> Norton Internet Security by all means!
> Personally, I use BitDefender 9 Professional plus, bat I used Norton
> products before and was very satisfied.

You're a shithead then?

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(Msg. 14) Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 2:24 am
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Craig Davies wrote:
> Afetr thinking about it, I only need Anti-Virus and Firewall, I dont nned
> the Anti-Spam, my email with Btinternet does that for me and it works well,
> I think about 200+ goes straight into the bulk folder avoiding my inbox, and
> I say an average of 1 a week comes through my inbox. I will try those sites
> you gave me, thanks.

Sign up for Norton and you'll get another 200+ spam mails on top ....
from Norton

Avast .... the dogs bollocks

www.avast.com
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 9:29 am
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Craig Davies - 19.02.2006 01:13 :

[snipped]

THX for full repetition/full quoting again...

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