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Lars-Erik Østerud wrote:
> kurt wismer skrev:
>
>>and the avast message claims the email is clean which it can't possibly
>>know... there's a big difference between 'no viruses found' and 'clean'...
>
> What is different from other virus-scanners,

nothing - when they claim something is 'clean' they are also making
false statements... often times, however, they actually say 'no viruses
found' and people just assume it means 'clean'...

> and if you think the
> message is not good, then change it (it's fully editable you know)

i'm not the one broadcasting avast's false message, i can't change
anything...

avast, on the other hand, can change what their default message says...

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Lars-Erik Østerud wrote:
> kurt wismer skrev:
>
>>and the avast message claims the email is clean which it can't possibly
>>know... there's a big difference between 'no viruses found' and 'clean'...
>
> What is different from other virus-scanners,

nothing - when they claim something is 'clean' they are also making
false statements... often times, however, they actually say 'no viruses
found' and people just assume it means 'clean'...

> and if you think the
> message is not good, then change it (it's fully editable you know)

i'm not the one broadcasting avast's false message, i can't change
anything...

avast, on the other hand, can change what their default message says...

--
"they threw a rope around yer neck to watch you dance the jig of death
then left ya for the starvin' crows, hoverin' like hungry whores
one flew down plucked out yer eye, the other he had in his sights
ya snarled at him, said leave me be - i need the bugger so i can see"
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Alan Pollock wrote:
> Lars-Erik ?sterud <.@.> wrote:
>>kurt wismer skrev:
>
>>>and the avast message claims the email is clean which it can't possibly
>>>know... there's a big difference between 'no viruses found' and 'clean'...
>
>>What is different from other virus-scanners, and if you think the
>>message is not good, then change it (it's fully editable you know)
>
> Exactly, Moreover the default is off. The slider for Mail set to 'normal'
> inserts no messages. Nex

the point is not that it inserts messages, the point is that the
messages it inserts are false... i think you'll find that most people
don't edit the message avast inserts so the default message (when the
feature is turned on) is probably the one found in shadowman's post...

--
"they threw a rope around yer neck to watch you dance the jig of death
then left ya for the starvin' crows, hoverin' like hungry whores
one flew down plucked out yer eye, the other he had in his sights
ya snarled at him, said leave me be - i need the bugger so i can see"
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Alan Pollock wrote:
> Lars-Erik ?sterud <.@.> wrote:
>>kurt wismer skrev:
>
>>>and the avast message claims the email is clean which it can't possibly
>>>know... there's a big difference between 'no viruses found' and 'clean'...
>
>>What is different from other virus-scanners, and if you think the
>>message is not good, then change it (it's fully editable you know)
>
> Exactly, Moreover the default is off. The slider for Mail set to 'normal'
> inserts no messages. Nex

the point is not that it inserts messages, the point is that the
messages it inserts are false... i think you'll find that most people
don't edit the message avast inserts so the default message (when the
feature is turned on) is probably the one found in shadowman's post...

--
"they threw a rope around yer neck to watch you dance the jig of death
then left ya for the starvin' crows, hoverin' like hungry whores
one flew down plucked out yer eye, the other he had in his sights
ya snarled at him, said leave me be - i need the bugger so i can see"
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Lars-Erik Østerud wrote:
> kurt wismer skrev:
>
>>the point is not that it inserts messages, the point is that the
>>messages it inserts are false... i think you'll find that most people
>
>
> But then that would be true for all other virus-scanners as well.
> Most I know of inserts a similar kind of message (even larger

the only other one i know of that ever did that was avg...

there are most certainly anti-virus products that don't do it...

--
"they threw a rope around yer neck to watch you dance the jig of death
then left ya for the starvin' crows, hoverin' like hungry whores
one flew down plucked out yer eye, the other he had in his sights
ya snarled at him, said leave me be - i need the bugger so i can see"
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Lars-Erik Østerud wrote:
> kurt wismer skrev:
>
>>the point is not that it inserts messages, the point is that the
>>messages it inserts are false... i think you'll find that most people
>
>
> But then that would be true for all other virus-scanners as well.
> Most I know of inserts a similar kind of message (even larger

the only other one i know of that ever did that was avg...

there are most certainly anti-virus products that don't do it...

--
"they threw a rope around yer neck to watch you dance the jig of death
then left ya for the starvin' crows, hoverin' like hungry whores
one flew down plucked out yer eye, the other he had in his sights
ya snarled at him, said leave me be - i need the bugger so i can see"
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What's in a Name? wrote:
> kurt wismer <kurtw.DeleteThis@sympatico.ca> wrote in
[snip]
>>it would be better to leave the false claims out entirely... yours
>>is shorter but still false...
>
> How about this one:
>
> avast! antivirus (0531-4, 08/05/2005)
> This message is virus-free as far as avast! can tell.

that one is just fine...

--
"they threw a rope around yer neck to watch you dance the jig of death
then left ya for the starvin' crows, hoverin' like hungry whores
one flew down plucked out yer eye, the other he had in his sights
ya snarled at him, said leave me be - i need the bugger so i can see"
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What's in a Name? wrote:
> kurt wismer <kurtw RemoveThis @sympatico.ca> wrote in
[snip]
>>it would be better to leave the false claims out entirely... yours
>>is shorter but still false...
>
> How about this one:
>
> avast! antivirus (0531-4, 08/05/2005)
> This message is virus-free as far as avast! can tell.

that one is just fine...

--
"they threw a rope around yer neck to watch you dance the jig of death
then left ya for the starvin' crows, hoverin' like hungry whores
one flew down plucked out yer eye, the other he had in his sights
ya snarled at him, said leave me be - i need the bugger so i can see"
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kurt wismer <kurtw.RemoveThis@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> Lars-Erik ?sterud wrote:
> > kurt wismer skrev:
> >
> >>the point is not that it inserts messages, the point is that the
> >>messages it inserts are false... i think you'll find that most people
> >
> >
> > But then that would be true for all other virus-scanners as well.
> > Most I know of inserts a similar kind of message (even larger

> the only other one i know of that ever did that was avg...

> there are most certainly anti-virus products that don't do it...


The point concerns the word 'clean' though, correct? Size of message, or the
fact that there is a message is not important. Were Avast to merely state that
an email's been scanned there would be nothing to complain about, especially
since the default is set to 'no message.' Nex
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kurt wismer <kurtw DeleteThis @sympatico.ca> wrote:
> Lars-Erik ?sterud wrote:
> > kurt wismer skrev:
> >
> >>the point is not that it inserts messages, the point is that the
> >>messages it inserts are false... i think you'll find that most people
> >
> >
> > But then that would be true for all other virus-scanners as well.
> > Most I know of inserts a similar kind of message (even larger

> the only other one i know of that ever did that was avg...

> there are most certainly anti-virus products that don't do it...


The point concerns the word 'clean' though, correct? Size of message, or the
fact that there is a message is not important. Were Avast to merely state that
an email's been scanned there would be nothing to complain about, especially
since the default is set to 'no message.' Nex
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"Alan Pollock" <nex.DeleteThis@nopanix.com> wrote in message
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> kurt wismer <kurtw.DeleteThis@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > Lars-Erik ?sterud wrote:
> > > kurt wismer skrev:
> > >
> > >>the point is not that it inserts messages, the point is that the
> > >>messages it inserts are false... i think you'll find that most
people
> > >
> > >
> > > But then that would be true for all other virus-scanners as well.
> > > Most I know of inserts a similar kind of message (even larger
>
> > the only other one i know of that ever did that was avg...
>
> > there are most certainly anti-virus products that don't do it...
>
>
> The point concerns the word 'clean' though, correct?

Yes, not making a false claim will reduce the message to a merely
annoying advertisement. Although it may also give the recipient a false
sense of security anyway and make them think it is okay for them to
execute without scanning any active included content. The fact is that
some malware already crafts a message with such a "this is probably
safe" claim. So the message serves no real purpose aside from
advertising the product.

> Size of message, or the
> fact that there is a message is not important. Were Avast to merely
state that
> an email's been scanned there would be nothing to complain about,
especially
> since the default is set to 'no message.' Nex

Actually, I've got to give them credit for this not being on by
default - makes them look less like adware.
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"Alan Pollock" <nex.RemoveThis@nopanix.com> wrote in message
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> kurt wismer <kurtw.RemoveThis@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > Lars-Erik ?sterud wrote:
> > > kurt wismer skrev:
> > >
> > >>the point is not that it inserts messages, the point is that the
> > >>messages it inserts are false... i think you'll find that most
people
> > >
> > >
> > > But then that would be true for all other virus-scanners as well.
> > > Most I know of inserts a similar kind of message (even larger
>
> > the only other one i know of that ever did that was avg...
>
> > there are most certainly anti-virus products that don't do it...
>
>
> The point concerns the word 'clean' though, correct?

Yes, not making a false claim will reduce the message to a merely
annoying advertisement. Although it may also give the recipient a false
sense of security anyway and make them think it is okay for them to
execute without scanning any active included content. The fact is that
some malware already crafts a message with such a "this is probably
safe" claim. So the message serves no real purpose aside from
advertising the product.

> Size of message, or the
> fact that there is a message is not important. Were Avast to merely
state that
> an email's been scanned there would be nothing to complain about,
especially
> since the default is set to 'no message.' Nex

Actually, I've got to give them credit for this not being on by
default - makes them look less like adware.
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Alan Pollock wrote:
> kurt wismer <kurtw.DeleteThis@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>Lars-Erik ?sterud wrote:
>>>kurt wismer skrev:
>>>
>>>>the point is not that it inserts messages, the point is that the
>>>>messages it inserts are false... i think you'll find that most people
>>>
>>>But then that would be true for all other virus-scanners as well.
>>>Most I know of inserts a similar kind of message (even larger
>
>>the only other one i know of that ever did that was avg...
>
>>there are most certainly anti-virus products that don't do it...
>
> The point concerns the word 'clean' though, correct? Size of message, or the
> fact that there is a message is not important.

the intellectual honesty of the message is my main concern... ideally it
would also abide by rfc1855 guidelines for signatures email and usenet
messages but i can live with a couple extra lines here and there (there
are worse bandwidth violations out there)

> Were Avast to merely state that
> an email's been scanned there would be nothing to complain about, especially
> since the default is set to 'no message.' Nex


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"they threw a rope around yer neck to watch you dance the jig of death
then left ya for the starvin' crows, hoverin' like hungry whores
one flew down plucked out yer eye, the other he had in his sights
ya snarled at him, said leave me be - i need the bugger so i can see"
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