Has David Lipman been providing malware to known malware c..

Leythos <Void.TakeThisOut@nowhere.com> wrote in news:1174785268_2133
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> On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 17:45:20 -0700, 4Q wrote:
>
>> You must admit it's a sort of funny
>> indirect link, btw are you authorised as David's mouthpiece to issue a
>> denial that he's been distributing malware to the virus/malware
>> spreading criminal
>> Dustin Cook?
>
> Are you really a loon?

Who knows...

> Also, what proof do you have the David has done anything?

None that I know of. I'm unsure exactly what he's trying to accuse David of
doing, myself...




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Leythos <Void.DeleteThis@nowhere.com> wrote in
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> On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:54:01 -0700, 4Q wrote:
>>
>> Meanwhile you
>> are dodging the real focus of this
>> thread which is to assertain if David
>> has spread malware to a R-E-A-L irresponsible
>> loon, Dustin Cook.
>
> Until you show me that Dustin is a crook I can't accept your ideas or
> your methods. As best I can tell, Dustin is a stand-up person,
> repented for anything he may have done, and has been absolved for his
> past issues.

Thanks.

> I think you need to learn that people can change, read that as Grow
> Up, and become responsible adults, it happens all the time.

Indeed, it does.


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"optikl" <optikl.TakeThisOut@invalid.invalid> wrote in
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>
> "Leythos" <Void.TakeThisOut@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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>> On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:54:01 -0700, 4Q wrote:
>>>
>>> Meanwhile you
>>> are dodging the real focus of this
>>> thread which is to assertain if David
>>> has spread malware to a R-E-A-L irresponsible
>>> loon, Dustin Cook.
>>
>> Until you show me that Dustin is a crook I can't accept your ideas or
>> your methods. As best I can tell, Dustin is a stand-up person,
>> repented for anything he may have done, and has been absolved for his
>> past issues.
>>
>> I think you need to learn that people can change, read that as Grow
>> Up, and become responsible adults, it happens all the time.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Leythos
>> spam999free.TakeThisOut@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)
>
> That's funny. I'd suggest you do some googling of long ago posts in
> ACV, like "RAiD+ I hate people+January 1, 1999 to December 31, 2001",
> for starters. Also for the same period "Dustin Cook + Graham Cluely".
> Maybe you believe in sociopaths and liars redeeming themselves, like
> changing clothes. Evidence abounds from numerous studies on criminal
> and deviant behavior to suggest otherwise. Take this as constructive
> criticism, not a slag or a troll.

Devil's advocate huh?

I just don't know what to think of you these days man...


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"Dustin Cook" <spamfilterineffect.see.sig.DeleteThis@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> Devil's advocate huh?
>
> I just don't know what to think of you these days man...
>
>
> --
> Dustin Cook
> Author of BugHunter - MalWare Removal Tool - V2.2
> web: http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk - email:
> bughunter.dustin.DeleteThis@gmail.com.removethis
> Pad: http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk/pad.xml
>
>

Think of me as someone who has always disliked those who prey on or take
advantage of others. I don't discriminate just because those taken advantage
of might be clueless.
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Art <null RemoveThis @zilch.com> wrote in
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> On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 07:27:36 -0500, Leythos <Void RemoveThis @nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:54:01 -0700, 4Q wrote:
>>>
>>> Meanwhile you
>>> are dodging the real focus of this
>>> thread which is to assertain if David
>>> has spread malware to a R-E-A-L irresponsible
>>> loon, Dustin Cook.
>>
>>Until you show me that Dustin is a crook I can't accept your ideas or
>>your methods. As best I can tell, Dustin is a stand-up person,
>>repented for anything he may have done, and has been absolved for his
>>past issues.
>>
>>I think you need to learn that people can change, read that as Grow
>>Up, and become responsible adults, it happens all the time.
>
> I don't think Dustin has repented at all. He doesn't see any harm in
> viruses. He just hates spyware and Trojans I do tend to believe
> him when he says he has outgrown his interest in writing viruses.

I wasn't aware that I elected you to speak on my behalf...

If I'm not reformed as I claim that I am, why on earth would I spend time
developing software designed to help people? It's not like i'm being paid
for it. Hey, I tell you what, anytime you think maintaining software
designed to hunt for trojans, spyware, keyloggers, etc is something to be
taken lightly, I encourage you to do it.

That seems to be something interesting that some of you are overlooking.
BugHunter is a useful program, written by a reformed virus writer, who is
out to cause no harm to anyone. And what do I get for this? The same
sillyness I left quoted above.

I could have just as easily spent the time working on my electronics
hobbies, but instead, I made the decision to help people. My bad.

> But that's quite a different thing from repenting. Apparently, then,
> he has no interest now in writing any kind of malware, including
> viruses. But that remains to be seen.

2 years Art, nothing malware related from me... Hmm...


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Leythos <Void.TakeThisOut@nowhere.com> wrote in
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> On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 15:05:54 +0000, Art wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 07:27:36 -0500, Leythos <Void.TakeThisOut@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:54:01 -0700, 4Q wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Meanwhile you
>>>> are dodging the real focus of this
>>>> thread which is to assertain if David
>>>> has spread malware to a R-E-A-L irresponsible
>>>> loon, Dustin Cook.
>>>
>>>Until you show me that Dustin is a crook I can't accept your ideas or
>>>your methods. As best I can tell, Dustin is a stand-up person,
>>>repented for anything he may have done, and has been absolved for his
>>>past issues.
>>>
>>>I think you need to learn that people can change, read that as Grow
>>>Up, and become responsible adults, it happens all the time.
>>
>> I don't think Dustin has repented at all. He doesn't see any harm in
>> viruses. He just hates spyware and Trojans I do tend to believe
>> him when he says he has outgrown his interest in writing viruses.
>> But that's quite a different thing from repenting. Apparently, then,
>> he has no interest now in writing any kind of malware, including
>> viruses. But that remains to be seen.
>
> So the question stands, what has he done lately to cause one to
> believe he's not on the good side?

Spent 2 years developing a malware removal tool. My bad...

> Nothing I've seen in the last couple years indicates he's nothing less
> than what he claims to be.

Some people will no doubt continue to have there old and outdated
opinions about me, and obviously will continue to hold my past actions
against me. To those persons I only ask, are you an angel?

I could have easily released BugHunter under another name entirely, I
didn't have to come clean about being Raid at any point. I chose to be
honest with everyone. and for this honesty on my part, I get the
sillyness which comprised these threads.

At the end of the day, those who want to use the program will, and those
who don't, won't. I will not be able to please everyone, no matter what I
do.


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Dustin Cook wrote:
[snip]
> You have to understand something rather important about 4Q, He's not av
> and he's not VX. He's a somewhat neutral annoyance to both sides.

not vx? that would be like saying i'm not av... just because someone is
willing to tear his peers a new one doesn't mean he doesn't hold the
same ideals as they do... who is it, after all, that's trying to get the
band back together (in a manner of speaking)?

plus, why would a non-vx'er have been given the rights to boot people
from #virus?

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optikl wrote:
[snip]
> Think of me as someone who has always disliked those who prey on or take
> advantage of others. I don't discriminate just because those taken advantage
> of might be clueless.

those are sentiments i would share, but for the fact that i also know
when to let sleeping dogs lie...

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"kurt wismer" <kurtw DeleteThis @sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> optikl wrote:
> [snip]
>> Think of me as someone who has always disliked those who prey on or take
>> advantage of others. I don't discriminate just because those taken
>> advantage of might be clueless.
>
> those are sentiments i would share, but for the fact that i also know when
> to let sleeping dogs lie...
>
> --
And I will be the 1st to admit I couldn't care less about disturbing a dog's
rest.
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"kurt wismer" <kurtw DeleteThis @sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> optikl wrote:
> [snip]
>> Think of me as someone who has always disliked those who prey on or take
>> advantage of others. I don't discriminate just because those taken
>> advantage of might be clueless.
>
> those are sentiments i would share, but for the fact that i also know when
> to let sleeping dogs lie...
>
> --
And I will be the 1st to admit I couldn't care less about disturbing a dog's
rest.
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"optikl" <optikl DeleteThis @invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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>
> "Dustin Cook" <spamfilterineffect.see.sig DeleteThis @nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns98FED03AFB062HHI2948AJD832@69.28.186.121...
>> Devil's advocate huh?
>>
>> I just don't know what to think of you these days man...
>>
>>
>> --
>> Dustin Cook
>> Author of BugHunter - MalWare Removal Tool - V2.2
>> web: http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk - email:
>> bughunter.dustin DeleteThis @gmail.com.removethis
>> Pad: http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk/pad.xml
>>
>>
>
> Think of me as someone who has always disliked those who prey on or take
> advantage of others. I don't discriminate just because those taken
> advantage of might be clueless.

In other words, you disaprove of 95% of human behavior. From your messages
that seems about right.

cmsix

>
>
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On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 00:38:04 GMT, Dustin Cook
<spamfilterineffect.see.sig RemoveThis @nowhere.com> wrote:

>Art <null RemoveThis @zilch.com> wrote in
>news:ab3d03t1jgpa6fn0p1qgb9rfvl26vit5vf@4ax.com:
>
>> On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 07:27:36 -0500, Leythos <Void RemoveThis @nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:54:01 -0700, 4Q wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Meanwhile you
>>>> are dodging the real focus of this
>>>> thread which is to assertain if David
>>>> has spread malware to a R-E-A-L irresponsible
>>>> loon, Dustin Cook.
>>>
>>>Until you show me that Dustin is a crook I can't accept your ideas or
>>>your methods. As best I can tell, Dustin is a stand-up person,
>>>repented for anything he may have done, and has been absolved for his
>>>past issues.
>>>
>>>I think you need to learn that people can change, read that as Grow
>>>Up, and become responsible adults, it happens all the time.
>>
>> I don't think Dustin has repented at all. He doesn't see any harm in
>> viruses. He just hates spyware and Trojans I do tend to believe
>> him when he says he has outgrown his interest in writing viruses.
>
>I wasn't aware that I elected you to speak on my behalf...

I wasn't.

>If I'm not reformed as I claim that I am, why on earth would I spend time
>developing software designed to help people? It's not like i'm being paid
>for it. Hey, I tell you what, anytime you think maintaining software
>designed to hunt for trojans, spyware, keyloggers, etc is something to be
>taken lightly, I encourage you to do it.
>
>That seems to be something interesting that some of you are overlooking.
>BugHunter is a useful program, written by a reformed virus writer, who is
>out to cause no harm to anyone. And what do I get for this? The same
>sillyness I left quoted above.
>
>I could have just as easily spent the time working on my electronics
>hobbies, but instead, I made the decision to help people. My bad.
>
>> But that's quite a different thing from repenting. Apparently, then,
>> he has no interest now in writing any kind of malware, including
>> viruses. But that remains to be seen.
>
>2 years Art, nothing malware related from me... Hmm...

The word "repentent" makes me squirm a bit since it conjurs up
images of some religious nut screaming "Repent, sinner". I think
the world has had enough of repented and "saved" sinners.
Case in point is George W. Bush ... a classic case of a reformed
"sinner" who has lost the trust of most Americans and the world.
Another less tragic and disatrous example is that devout Quaker,
Richard M. Nixon, who authorized a illegal and immoral break-in.

Those who believe illegal or immoral means are justified for
some ideal end are not to be trusted. Such people are
unprincipled.

Now, I recall that you felt entirely justified in "screwing over"
people you considered to be "the pits". Your viruses were
your weapons aimed at people you hated ... whether such
people were engaged in illegal activities, porn, or were just
plain "stupid users" in your eyes. The fact that viruses are
"shotguns" spraying pellets all over the place didn't concern
you. In your eyes, a stray pellet hitting a inncocent user
didn't matter, since "stupid users" who take hits shouldn't
be on the internet ... or some such argument. Besides,
your viruses weren't really nasty and they were easy
to eradicate ... I think you would claim IIRC. So you
rationalized your virus writing and saw yourself as some
kind of hero doing good deeds. You believed that some
illegal or immoral means are justfied in pursuit of your ideals.

You claim you've changed in some way, and I'm sincerely
interested in hearing exactly in what way. I hope you
haven't "got religion" and repented since I don't trust
those unprincipled bastards who have as far as I can
throw them

I think a real change might arise when a person is
immersed in constructive work, such as your product,
and finds such work to be far more rewarding than
past activities. Is that what you've experienced? A
real change to a dedication to strictly constructive
work? Can you say with real feeling that you're
now dedicated to strictly constructive work? If so,
principles and "repentence" be damned I'd be
inclined to think you have truly changed.

Art
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4Q aka paul_zest RemoveThis @hushmail.com in message
<1174775198.015247.75350 RemoveThis @e1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>
alt.comp.anti-virus on 3/24/2007 at 6:26:38 PM after much thought,came
up with this jewel:

> investigations into people spreading
> malware to known malicious malware
> spreaders *laughably calling themselves
> "peers"*

I'll play along.....

How can one create a good removal tool without the thing your trying to
remove?

I have sent live samples to Dustin.

Investigate away!

(mind if I lead?)
sung to the tune of "skating away"-jethro tull

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