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Roger Wilco

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Since: Nov 26, 2004
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(Msg. 16) Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 7:26 pm
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"ComPCs" <newscompcs.TakeThisOut@yahoo.co.uk.invalid> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d6457327471b2649896f9@news.individual.net...
> In article <11fkc6refcbg77e.TakeThisOut@corp.supernews.com>,
> yesman.TakeThisOut@yourservice.invalid says...
> >
> > "ComPCs" <newscompcs.TakeThisOut@yahoo.co.uk.invalid> wrote in message
> > news:MPG.1d63d8cdde740fcb9896f4@news.individual.net...
> > > In article <11fieb0m34u0s22.TakeThisOut@corp.supernews.com>,
> > > yesman.TakeThisOut@yourservice.invalid says...
> > >
> > >
> > > > "ComPCs" <newscompcs.TakeThisOut@yahoo.co.uk.invalid> wrote in message
> > > > news:MPG.1d6310103ff813639896f1@news.individual.net...
> > >
> > > > > The "means" being?
> > > >
> > > > Isolationism.
> > >
> > > So the "means" are, in actual fact, quite unrealistic, in the
general
> > > terms of computing which this newsgroup covers - e.g. PC's
connected
> > to
> > > the internet/network in some way or another?
> >
> > Nothing unrealistic about isolationism being a secure system without
AV.
>
> Can I clarify a point here ... I am talking about networked machines,
as
> in those folks use to connect to the internet; as in those of us who
> Usenet et al.

No, you were defending your statement about optikl's statement being
nonsense - which it wasn't.

> You are talking of some bearded geek sitting in a darkened bedroom
with
> the curtains closed programming in VB ?

No I'm not, I'm talking about the whole range from the geek to grandma.
Isolationism is one extreme and far too many users make up the other
extreme. They only need what AV has become because of their lack of
means to handle their security without it - not because it is
impossible. Optikl said nothing about not needing AV scanners in
general, which you seem to think is the issue.

> > No, short of isolationism you need only on-demand scanning
capability of
> > those programs you do feel the need to bring onto the machine.
> > Preferably one that has a good detection rating, but even a lesser
one
> > could be enough seeing as the exposure is limited by safe practices.
>
> Sorry chum, you've lost me now ...

That figures. :-\

> I'm talking about everyday usage of
> the home PC, you are talking about some hi-tech geek driven enterprise
> where every system is maintained to perfection by perfection.

Nonsense.

> Oddly enough, there is actually no need for this conversation to
> continue ....

Then don't reply.

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ComPCs

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(Msg. 17) Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 7:36 pm
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In article <11fkc6refcbg77e.TakeThisOut@corp.supernews.com>,
yesman.TakeThisOut@yourservice.invalid says...

[this was meant for the end of the previous post I sent, but I live in
the real world where people make mistakes, so, to append what I
previously wrote]

> That wasn't your statement at all.

I never made a statement in reply to you, I simply reiterated what I had
said earlier.

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(Msg. 18) Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 7:36 pm
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"ComPCs" <newscompcs.TakeThisOut@yahoo.co.uk.invalid> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d645970d5fd3c6a9896fa@news.individual.net...
> In article <11fkc6refcbg77e.TakeThisOut@corp.supernews.com>,
> yesman.TakeThisOut@yourservice.invalid says...
>
> [this was meant for the end of the previous post I sent, but I live in
> the real world where people make mistakes, so, to append what I
> previously wrote]
>
> > That wasn't your statement at all.
>
> I never made a statement in reply to you, I simply reiterated what I
had
> said earlier.

You said "None taken,..." (but there evidently was) and "...but nonsense
nonetheless." in response to a perfectly sensible post. I just wanted to
show that computing practices like p2p executable sharing exposes a user
to day zero malware and negates the effectiveness of AV at one extreme
and at the other extreme total isolation negates its need. It's just
like another thread where someone suggests a software front end for a
browser to scan for and detect malicious web page exploit code - why -
so users can do without having to patch vulnerabilities in a timely
manner? If the user has the wherewithal to handle that job, they don't
need a software solution - same as this case.
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ComPCs

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(Msg. 19) Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 4:13 pm
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In article <11fkunm6aa3bd95.TakeThisOut@corp.supernews.com>,
yesman.TakeThisOut@yourservice.invalid says...

> "ComPCs" <newscompcs.TakeThisOut@yahoo.co.uk.invalid> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1d6457327471b2649896f9@news.individual.net...

> > Sorry chum, you've lost me now ...
>
> That figures. :-\

Making it personal does nothing for your integrity.

Allow me to give you some assistance in the discontinuation of such, and
certainly make Usenet a better facility for me utilise.

*plonk*
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 6:43 pm
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"ComPCs" <newscompcs.RemoveThis@yahoo.co.uk.invalid> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d657b8aa88f36689896fd@news.individual.net...
> In article <11fkunm6aa3bd95.RemoveThis@corp.supernews.com>,
> yesman.RemoveThis@yourservice.invalid says...
>
> > "ComPCs" <newscompcs.RemoveThis@yahoo.co.uk.invalid> wrote in message
> > news:MPG.1d6457327471b2649896f9@news.individual.net...
>
> > > Sorry chum, you've lost me now ...
> >
> > That figures. :-\
>
> Making it personal does nothing for your integrity.

Nothing personal, it just figures that you get lost when points are
being made about how safe practices are always better than even the best
AV is at keeping a system secure. AV cannot in its very nature protect
against a day zero threat - but safe practices can. Safe practices
reduce the amount of exposure enough to make the quality of the AV
program less of an issue.

You need a thicker skin so you don't interpret everything as a personal
attack.

....and announcing your plonks is sooo lame... Smile
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