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Since: Apr 23, 2007
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 6:35 pm
Post subject: AntiVirus is dead
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IT-Director.com
http://snipurl.com/1dpri
...you may be unaware of the AVID (Anti Virus Is Dead) campaign that
I've been running. The goal of the campaign is simple. It aims to bring
down the AV industry which has, for the best part of 20 years, been
selling products http://snipurl.com/pathetic_useless that are
ineffective at stopping viruses.
To summarize: the reason why AV technology fails so frequently is that
it takes a wrong and ultimately doomed approach to stopping malware.
Mostly AV products use signatures to recognize the bad guys, but this
is almost completely useless for new viruses (some well known products
let in 80 percent of all new viruses). Where they don't use signatures,
they use heuristics — which means that they try to recognise the bad
guys by their behavior. This is ineffective because the virus writers
test their viruses against AV products before they release them and
only release the ones that will get through. The reality is that the AV
companies have been in a technology war with the virus writers and they
have lost. The outcome is that PCs still get infected by malware at a
dramatic rate... |
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 6:35 pm
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On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 18:35:37 +0100, George Orwell wrote:
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> ..you may be unaware of the AVID (Anti Virus Is Dead) campaign that
> I've been running. The goal of the campaign is simple. It aims to bring
> down the AV industry which has, for the best part of 20 years, been
> selling products http://snipurl.com/pathetic_useless that are
> ineffective at stopping viruses.
And I've seen, each week, hundreds of viruses and malware stopped by the
email scanning engines, by the web scanning engines...
How can you say they are not effective?
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 6:35 pm
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"George Orwell" <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in message
news:e8f2b8e9f9029b24ea1cd3774e984881@mixmaster.it...
> IT-Director.com
> http://snipurl.com/1dpri
>
> ..you may be unaware of the AVID (Anti Virus Is Dead) campaign that
> I've been running. The goal of the campaign is simple. It aims to bring
> down the AV industry which has, for the best part of 20 years, been
> selling products http://snipurl.com/pathetic_useless that are
> ineffective at stopping viruses.
>
> To summarize: the reason why AV technology fails so frequently is that
> it takes a wrong and ultimately doomed approach to stopping malware.
> Mostly AV products use signatures to recognize the bad guys, but this
> is almost completely useless for new viruses (some well known products
> let in 80 percent of all new viruses). Where they don't use signatures,
> they use heuristics - which means that they try to recognise the bad
> guys by their behavior. This is ineffective because the virus writers
> test their viruses against AV products before they release them and
> only release the ones that will get through. The reality is that the AV
> companies have been in a technology war with the virus writers and they
> have lost. The outcome is that PCs still get infected by malware at a
> dramatic rate...
>
Well with that logic we might as well kill ourselves as we are all going to die no matter what we do:)
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 7:29 pm
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"Leythos" wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 18:35:37 +0100, George Orwell wrote:
>> selling products http://snipurl.com/pathetic_useless that are
>> ineffective at stopping viruses.
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> And I've seen, each week, hundreds of viruses and malware stopped by the
> email scanning engines, by the web scanning engines...
>
> How can you say they are not effective?
He/she/it is not saying anything. He/she/it is posting extracts from
other people's articles without comment from an anonymous remailer.
Usually this is a troll-sign. >> Stay informed about: AntiVirus is dead |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 8:10 pm
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Another one for the Block list
"Ant" <not RemoveThis @home.today> wrote in message
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> "Leythos" wrote:
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>> On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 18:35:37 +0100, George Orwell wrote:
>>> selling products http://snipurl.com/pathetic_useless that are
>>> ineffective at stopping viruses.
>>
>> And I've seen, each week, hundreds of viruses and malware stopped by the
>> email scanning engines, by the web scanning engines...
>>
>> How can you say they are not effective?
>
> He/she/it is not saying anything. He/she/it is posting extracts from
> other people's articles without comment from an anonymous remailer.
> Usually this is a troll-sign.
>
> >> Stay informed about: AntiVirus is dead |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 9:52 am
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> ..you may be unaware of the AVID (Anti Virus Is Dead) campaign that
> I've been running. The goal of the campaign is simple. It aims to bring
> down the AV industry which has, for the best part of 20 years, been
> selling products http://snipurl.com/pathetic_useless that are
> ineffective at stopping viruses.
Rubbish. You might as well say: condoms may break, so do not use them. In
many cases they prevent infections, although not at a 100% success rate.
Any malware writer will be glad about your "campaign".
So: welcome to my killfile, Mr Troll!
Turan >> Stay informed about: AntiVirus is dead |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 4:13 am
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George Orwell <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in
news:e8f2b8e9f9029b24ea1cd3774e984881@mixmaster.it:
> To summarize: the reason why AV technology fails so frequently is that
> it takes a wrong and ultimately doomed approach to stopping malware.
> Mostly AV products use signatures to recognize the bad guys, but this
> is almost completely useless for new viruses (some well known products
> let in 80 percent of all new viruses). Where they don't use signatures,
80% of all new viruses? Where is the research for this claim please?
> they use heuristics — which means that they try to recognise the bad
> guys by their behavior. This is ineffective because the virus writers
> test their viruses against AV products before they release them and
> only release the ones that will get through. The reality is that the AV
Only release the ones that will get through eh? So... the virus writers
do what then with the ones that didn't get thru? erase them and start
over? LoL!
> companies have been in a technology war with the virus writers and they
> have lost. The outcome is that PCs still get infected by malware at a
> dramatic rate...
Yes, but that's more because of the human factor than anything else. Most
malware can be prevented if the user is properly trained and makes use of
the right software.
--
Dustin Cook
Author of BugHunter - MalWare Removal Tool - V2.2
web: http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk - email:
bughunter.dustin.DeleteThis@gmail.com.removethis
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 7:46 am
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"Turan Fettahoglu" <turan.fe.DeleteThis@t-online.de> wrote:
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> > ..you may be unaware of the AVID (Anti Virus Is Dead) campaign that
> > I've been running. The goal of the campaign is simple. It aims to bring
> > down the AV industry which has, for the best part of 20 years, been
> > selling products http://snipurl.com/pathetic_useless that are
> > ineffective at stopping viruses.
>
> Rubbish. You might as well say: condoms may break, so do not use them. In
> many cases they prevent infections, although not at a 100% success rate.
>
> Any malware writer will be glad about your "campaign".
>
> So: welcome to my killfile, Mr Troll!
>
> Turan
Abstinence: 100% effective in preventing pregnancy and disease
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 9:59 am
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> Abstinence: 100% effective in preventing pregnancy and disease
Therefore, abstain from internet usage and you're 100% guaranteed never to
become virus infected! I like that analogy!
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> In article <eu04gg$ibn$1@svr7.m-online.net>
> "Turan Fettahoglu" <turan.fe RemoveThis @t-online.de> wrote:
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>> > ..you may be unaware of the AVID (Anti Virus Is Dead) campaign that
>> > I've been running. The goal of the campaign is simple. It aims to bring
>> > down the AV industry which has, for the best part of 20 years, been
>> > selling products http://snipurl.com/pathetic_useless that are
>> > ineffective at stopping viruses.
>>
>> Rubbish. You might as well say: condoms may break, so do not use them. In
>> many cases they prevent infections, although not at a 100% success rate.
>>
>> Any malware writer will be glad about your "campaign".
>>
>> So: welcome to my killfile, Mr Troll!
>>
>> Turan
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 12:38 pm
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mr whipple wrote:
>> Abstinence: 100% effective in preventing pregnancy and disease
>
> Therefore, abstain from internet usage and you're 100% guaranteed never to
> become virus infected! I like that analogy!
except that not all viruses come from the net... you have to abstain
from putting anything into your computer at all...
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 12:41 pm
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Dustin Cook wrote:
> George Orwell <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in
> news:e8f2b8e9f9029b24ea1cd3774e984881@mixmaster.it:
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>> To summarize: the reason why AV technology fails so frequently is that
>> it takes a wrong and ultimately doomed approach to stopping malware.
>> Mostly AV products use signatures to recognize the bad guys, but this
>> is almost completely useless for new viruses (some well known products
>> let in 80 percent of all new viruses). Where they don't use signatures,
>
> 80% of all new viruses? Where is the research for this claim please?
i've seen some retrospective test results where one or two products
detected less than 20% of the samples... most scored a little higher,
but generally retrospective test results are pretty depressing...
--
"it's not the right time to be sober
now the idiots have taken over
spreading like a social cancer,
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 4:57 pm
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 12:53 am
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Ernie B. wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 12:38:40 -0400 kurt wismer wrote:
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> > mr whipple wrote:
> > >> Abstinence: 100% effective in preventing pregnancy and disease
> > >
> > > Therefore, abstain from internet usage and you're 100% guaranteed never to
> > > become virus infected! I like that analogy!
> >
> > except that not all viruses come from the net... you have to abstain
> > from putting anything into your computer at all...
> >
> Ain't dat de troot! The only virus I've had was picked up in a computer shop
> when I took the box in for some work.
Ah, you are a resident of Kingsport
Tennessee... lot's of virus breakouts
there ;]]
> --
> Ernie B.
>
> Communication: The art of moving an idea from one mind to another, hopefully
> without distortion.
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 3:11 pm
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kurt wismer <kurtw DeleteThis @sympatico.ca> wrote in news:eu3kb8$q4t$3@aioe.org:
> Dustin Cook wrote:
>> George Orwell <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in
>> news:e8f2b8e9f9029b24ea1cd3774e984881@mixmaster.it:
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>>> To summarize: the reason why AV technology fails so frequently is
>>> that it takes a wrong and ultimately doomed approach to stopping
>>> malware. Mostly AV products use signatures to recognize the bad
>>> guys, but this is almost completely useless for new viruses (some
>>> well known products let in 80 percent of all new viruses). Where
>>> they don't use signatures,
>>
>> 80% of all new viruses? Where is the research for this claim please?
>
> i've seen some retrospective test results where one or two products
> detected less than 20% of the samples... most scored a little higher,
> but generally retrospective test results are pretty depressing...
>
True....
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Author of BugHunter - MalWare Removal Tool - V2.2
web: http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk - email:
bughunter.dustin DeleteThis @gmail.com.removethis
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