Anti Trojan Software For Home Network

"Pastor Dave" <news-group-mail.TakeThisOut@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in message
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| On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 17:16:09 GMT, "Beauregard T.
| Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous.TakeThisOut@example.invalid> spake thusly:
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| >Pastor Dave wrote:
| >> On Tue, 9 Aug 2005 21:31:32 -0700, "* * Chas"
| >> <dnafutz.TakeThisOut@aol.spam.com> spake thusly:
| >>
| >>> I'm looking for an Anti Trojan program ...
<snip>
| I didn't say it did. But the packages I mentioned,
| do address them. Of course, it is not the only
| solution, but definitely one that should be done,
| for more than just that reason.
|
| Btw, which AV prog do you use and why?

I use NOD32 backed up with F-Prot Windows for on demand scans. Over the
past 10 years, I've tried or used at least 20 different AV programs. Up
until I found NOD32 I liked Dr. Solomons the best. They both use very
few resources, are easy to update and work very well.

I also run AdAware and Spybot. I'm looking for Anti Trojan software.

Chas.
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Virus Guy wrote:
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> A program that gets basically no discussion in these groups is
> MooSoft's "The Cleaner".

it used to get more attention in the past... i didn't follow things that
closely though so i don't know why that changed...

--
"they threw a rope around yer neck to watch you dance the jig of death
then left ya for the starvin' crows, hoverin' like hungry whores
one flew down plucked out yer eye, the other he had in his sights
ya snarled at him, said leave me be - i need the bugger so i can see"
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Pastor Dave wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 20:59:14 GMT, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
> <a.nony.mous DeleteThis @example.invalid> spake thusly:
>>>> anti-virus != anti-trojan
>>>
>>> I didn't say it did. But the packages I mentioned, do address
>>> them. Of course, it is not the only solution, but definitely
>>> one that should be done, for more than just that reason.
>>
>> Generally speaking, most people should have both types of
>> programs.
>
> Oh, but why?

Silly question...

> I agree, 100%.

...then you know the answer, right?

>>> Btw, which AV prog do you use and why?
>>
>> Me? I have Avast! installed, but only use to scan on demand,
>> such as when someone sends an attachment. I rarely get a real
>> virus email.
>
> You have no real time virus scanner running?

No. If there are no viruses on the computer, why waste cycles?

> If it's a question of cost, AVG has a free version and it's quite
> good.

Avast! also has a free version. What I like most about Avast! (yeah,
the exclamation point is part of the name, if any newbies were
wondering) is the *small* updates to the database. They are typically
between 2KB and maybe 15KB. Yes, kilobytes, not megabytes. It looks
for updates every four hours.

It has recognized every virus I've ever thrown its way.

It's also skinnable. Pick from dozens of designs.

>> If you next question is, what else? Current versions of
>> Ad-Aware, SpybotS&D, and A², all of which I run infrequently
>> because they never find anything.
>
> No, no, I said "AV". "AntiVirus".
>
> Sorry, I should have been more specific.

Yes, but I was anticipating... as the OP was interested in AT.

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Pastor Dave wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 04:03:46 GMT, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
> <a.nony.mous RemoveThis @example.invalid> spake thusly:
>
>>> You have no real time virus scanner running?
>>
>> No. If there are no viruses on the computer, why waste cycles?
>
> See below.
>
>> Avast! also has a free version.
>> It has recognized every virus I've ever thrown its way.
>
> Then you have viruses getting on your system, no?

No.

Assuming you meant my computer became infected, the answer is No.
Occasionally, someone I know gets infected and it tries to replicate
by sending to all the addresses it can find. We all know this is one
way they propagate.

These emails are easily recognizable. To see which virus it is, I will
save the attachment to my "/suspect" folder, and scan it. Generally, I
will attempt to examine the email to see if I can pin down where it
came from, so as to warn the infector s/he has a problem.

> So a real time scanner would have probably prevented that from
> happening.

In over 20 years of home computer usage, I have never been infected
with any virus or trojan or other type of malware.

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Pastor Dave wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:31:42 GMT, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
> <a.nony.mous.TakeThisOut@example.invalid> spake thusly: <schnippage>
>> In over 20 years of home computer usage, I have never been
>> infected with any virus or trojan or other type of malware.
>
> That's quite a claim and with all due respect, one that I don't
> buy. Maybe not that you know of, but to say "never", I don't think
> anyone can say, at least not someone who doesn't run real time
> protection.

Heh, feel free to not buy it, but it is true.

I believe the first virus I ever encountered was Magellan? Fifteen
years ago? A friend mailed me some files on 5¼ floppies, and I scanned
them with my then-current a-v program (forgot what it was). It told me
the disks were infected... so naturally I didn't use them. He was then
quite surprised to find this virus on his computer, and most of his
diskettes.

> I just cleaned up one, after installing a new virus scanner the
> other day, that none of the others picked up on.

On your computer? An actual infector? So ... where did it come from?
Do you think I've had a virus because you did?

> And I don't go to suspect web sites, nor do I download attachments
> via email.

I go to all kinds of web sites, even posted suspect sites, and none
has ever done anything bad to me. Oh, occasionally, I'll find one that
might crash the browser, but that's all. The trick here is to use a
modern browser (that doesn't support ActiveX), and turn off JavaScript
and Java.

Like I said, I do run the occasional scan with the aforementioned
programs, and other than my Eicar files and a few stored, unexecuted
virus files in that /suspect directory, they never find a thing. Really.

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Pastor Dave wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 18:33:59 GMT, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
> <a.nony.mous RemoveThis @example.invalid> spake thusly:
>
>> Pastor Dave wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:31:42 GMT, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
>>> <a.nony.mous RemoveThis @example.invalid> spake thusly: <schnippage>
>>>
>>>> In over 20 years of home computer usage, I have never been
>>>> infected with any virus or trojan or other type of malware.
>>>
>>> That's quite a claim and with all due respect, one that I don't
>>> buy. Maybe not that you know of, but to say "never", I don't
>>> think anyone can say, at least not someone who doesn't run real
>>> time protection.
>>
>> Heh, feel free to not buy it, but it is true.
>
> Okay, we'll agree to disagree.

Well, I guess so!

>> I believe the first virus I ever encountered was Magellan?
>> Fifteen years ago?
>
> Then your claim was not true.

Ahem, my claim, was/is that I have never been *infected* with a virus.
I was *sent* the virus. I did not become *infected* with it. Wake up,
Dave. Haven't I stated that I have been sent viruses, recognized them,
saved the attachments and scanned them, and did NOT execute them to
get infected?

>>> I just cleaned up one, after installing a new virus scanner the
>>> other day, that none of the others picked up on.
>>
>> On your computer? An actual infector? So ... where did it come
>> from?
>
> Turns out it was from a web site that I would not have suspected.

What is the web site? I'll be glad to check it for you.

>> Do you think I've had a virus because you did?
>
> I think everyone has had a virus and I don't buy your claim. I've
> been a tech for over 20 years and I have never run across a system
> (even hundreds of network systems that has never experienced a
> virus, without running real time protection.

Well, I don't know what else to tell you to make you believe that none
of my computers have ever been *infected* with a virus.

You use the words "experienced a virus." To you, does that mean the
same as infected?

>>> And I don't go to suspect web sites, nor do I download
>>> attachments via email.
>>
>> I go to all kinds of web sites, even posted suspect sites,
>
> Then you are getting them and with all due respect, frankly, to
> continue this conversation is foolishness and it is simply you
> being cocky.

I don't think it is being cocky to state that my computers have never
been infected with any virus. If you don't wish to believe that, then
.... well, as you said, the conversation is probably over.

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What's in a Name? wrote:
> wannabe"pastor"dave is a troll or a liar-either one-makes no
> difference.He says "I've been a tech for twenty years" but seems to
> have no knowledge about malware and the various methods/tools to
> get rid of and/or prevent them. I have him in my killfile and would
> not have noticed but for your quote. As several of the regulars
> tried to help him the other day, he was full of himself(seems to be
> his style of interaction with others) and was added to their
> killfiles also. -max

Sounds like a plan.

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"Pastor Dave" <news-group-mail DeleteThis @nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Yes, I was a real evil person for saying that I don't
> believe that someone who has been on PC's for 20 years
> has never been infected by a virus, when they have
> never run real time protection. Right. I'm sure all
> of these companies sell AV software, based on one big
> hoax, just designed to fool us. <chuckle>

Yes, the belief that real time protection is a must is wrong thinking.
It might be a must if you have no control over what users are allowed to
do with the system, but if you do have complete control (configuration
and policies) then real time (along with many other so called "must
have" features) AV is not needed. Most AV vendors now compete over how
well they implement these non-essential features, and users complain
about RAM footprints and CPU cycles which are inconsequential when a
good on-demand regimen is inplemented instead. It takes more effort on
the part of the user, but it isn't really all that difficult.

You wouldn't expect the vendors to tell you this would you - considering
they are in 'business' to sell software?
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me DeleteThis @tadyatam.invalid wrote:
> Your (plural) patience was admirable, indeed.
> [ quot bts ]Sounds like a plan. [ /quot]

OMG!!! OMG!!!!1!! I just installed Norton 2005 and it found 7,154
viruses on my computer!!!! Whatever shall I do?????????

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"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous.RemoveThis@example.invalid> wrote in message
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> me.RemoveThis@tadyatam.invalid wrote:
> > Your (plural) patience was admirable, indeed.
> > [ quot bts ]Sounds like a plan. [ /quot]
>
> OMG!!! OMG!!!!1!! I just installed Norton 2005 and it found 7,154
> viruses on my computer!!!! Whatever shall I do?????????

Errr - - stop collecting viruses? )
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Roger Wilco wrote:
> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous.TakeThisOut@example.invalid> wrote:
>
>> OMG!!! OMG!!!!1!! I just installed Norton 2005 and it found
>> 7,154 viruses on my computer!!!! Whatever shall I do?????????
>
> Errr - - stop collecting viruses? )

Ahh. Phew! I cleaned out my "/suspect" storage directory and now I
only have four viruses!!!

The four variations of eicar used to verify that the scan works. <g>

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"Pastor Dave" <news-group-mail.TakeThisOut@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in message
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> I went one time some years ago and bought a mouse.
> I put the floppy in, to copy the driver over to the
> hard drive and Norton came up and alerted me to
> a virus, as the file was being copied. I called the
> company to let them know about it. They told me
> that they did have a run of floppies that were
> infected. Others had reported it and they tested
> them. But hey, why run real time protection?

Exactly - you had intended to execute that code, and should have scanned
it prior to use. Scanning it on the floppy, or copying the driver to the
harddrive and scanning it then would have done the trick (no 'real time'
scanning necessary).

> I mean after all, as long as you have control
> over what you're putting on there, right?

Right!

> Nothing like that could ever contain a virus, right?

Wrong! It is a program, therefore it "could" contain a virus. Why would
you assume that it didn't - safe practice is to scan "all" incoming
programs (best after a cooling off period) before executing them.

> Or
> should we avoid putting anything other than
> Windows on our systems and never get on the Net
> either, so that we won't be infected?

Funny, with the present malware preference for Windows' environments -
it would be Windows to "avoid" putting on.

Seriously though, I am not suggesting abstinence, only that 'real time'
AV isn't the most effective way. Most effective is AV as a part of safe
practices - not "instead of" safe practices (which 'real time' scanning
enables users to do). So when someone doesn't use real time AV, it
doesn't follow that he can't have kept his machine clean - it 'could' be
that he knows what he is doing.
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